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Handheld and shoulder mount versions of this Sony 3-CMOS HDV camcorder.


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Old December 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #1
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I have a client that's in her 60's and she wants to make a commercial for her beauty salon. She wants to look like the models in Oil of Olay commercials... wrinkle free and flawless.... basically the airbrushed look.

I know we're not god, and a face lift for her is not possible..

is there any tips to soften her up? if not on the camera, then in post to get the porcelain look? (considering the make up is good)
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Old December 6th, 2008, 07:00 PM   #2
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I have a client that's in her 60's and she wants to make a commercial for her beauty salon. She wants to look like the models in Oil of Olay commercials... wrinkle free and flawless.... basically the airbrushed look.

I know we're not god, and a face lift for her is not possible..

is there any tips to soften her up? if not on the camera, then in post to get the porcelain look? (considering the make up is good)
Too many jokes that could be made from the thread title.

In the old days they use to put very thin layer Vaseline on the lens to get a soft effect. I would not do this on the primary lens but if you have a UV filter you might consider it.

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Old December 6th, 2008, 07:18 PM   #3
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Try a pro make-up person in conjunction with pro lighting. Any budget for test shots? Maybe just use stills via photoshop.

Try and shoot it so she can be replaced if she doesn't like her appearance. Don't use her voice, that'll be a dead giveaway. Lay it all out for her beforehand, not easy this one, good luck.

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Old December 6th, 2008, 07:20 PM   #4
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You need to get a makeup artist who uses an airbrush, just like they do on the big shoots. Otherwise, I'd say it won't work.
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Old December 6th, 2008, 07:21 PM   #5
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Reduce the detail level in the camera. Use a pro mist black or warm filter. Make sure the lighting is diffused (a good softbox) and close to the camera's line of sight.
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Old December 6th, 2008, 07:31 PM   #6
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I wonder how they do it on Sex and The City.

.... They might want green screen too so I might have to shoot this on HDV. *eek*
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Old December 6th, 2008, 07:33 PM   #7
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I've never done the movie quote game but here goes:

[Dorothy Michaels' screen test]
Rita: I'd like to make her look a little more attractive, how far can you pull back?
Cameraman: How do you feel about Cleveland?
Rita: Knock it off.


(The close up is NOT your friend here.)
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Old December 7th, 2008, 02:38 AM   #8
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I'm all for it, when it's their time it's their...er... wait.. nevermind.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 11:01 AM   #9
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I've never done the movie quote game but here goes:

[Dorothy Michaels' screen test]
Rita: I'd like to make her look a little more attractive, how far can you pull back?
Cameraman: How do you feel about Cleveland?
Rita: Knock it off.


(The close up is NOT your friend here.)


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Old December 7th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #10
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Just remember that the secret to shooting old people is to not lead them as much.

Seriously, hire a great makeup artist, get out the Matt box and pro mist filters, hire a gaffer and turn on the skin detail. Or use the "Tootsie" method and zoom out.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 07:19 PM   #11
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Just remember that the secret to shooting old people is to not lead them as much.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 09:15 PM   #12
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please define "old".
Although the Op said something about '60s', I must take umbrage to that as one who just tasted his 62d birthday cake. OLD!!!! That sounds like my grandkids talking. Now 80 or 90 yeah I could understand but 60?
Of cousre I do remember when 30 was 'old'.
Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind it don't matter!
Plus now I have a great excuse for shooting my age for 9 holes of golf!

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BTW, I'm acutally kidding about taking umbrage (new word of the day) I really find the post somewhat amusing.
Tell the lady to get a facelift. That'll take care of the wrinkles. I'm proud of my wrinkles, I've earned every one of them and have grown accustomed to them. So much so I have names for each of them. ;-)

See I have a sense of humor about getting "old"

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Old December 8th, 2008, 09:26 AM   #13
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Still photography model shoots are often lit very flat and somewhat overblown, almost like old TV show studio lighting. Any off center angle you put the light at will hit those wrinkles and cause shadows, which will pronounce it. I'd have my key light right next to the camera or behind it and then some backlights and kickers to rid of any casted shadows on the background. I'd avoid close-ups, especially if you're shooting HD. As stated before, a good make-up artist will do the job of hiding aging much better than anything that can be done in post.

And the best advice, when the client sees the shot for the first time get the crew and everyone involved to say how great she looks. It's obvious vanity is apparent here and just a few words of compliment will surely get her to go along with it as well!

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Old December 8th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #14
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I'm proud of my wrinkles, I've earned every one of them and have grown accustomed to them. So much so I have names for each of them. ;-)

See I have a sense of humor about getting "old"

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Easier to have a sense of humor about it if you're a guy. Not the same playing field for women :-/

HD is not an old person's friend. In fact it's not a friend to most people over 30, or anybody with blemishes or less than perfect skin. IMO the old makeup tricks are not as effective in HD, especially with close ups.
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