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Randy Johnson · September 16th, 2013, 09:55 AM

well I maid it through my first full wedding (actually I did 2 in one day) and all in all it was good. I relized now that Chris was right I shot the whole thing in 21 db gain (because I had to) and I couldnt see grain at all the image was a bit "flat" and didnt have much punch but that could be the feeling you get with a DSLR film look camera. I DO want a faster lens though in some situations it just didnt have enough. The 85 mm at 1.4 looks like the best solution for me for now BUT I have to admit I was getting really comfortable with the auto focus which I assume will not work with a 3rd party lens.couple things though. Why cant I adjust the shutter while auto focus is on? (annoying!) how do I play footage back in the camera?

All in all things went well but a ND filter would have been nice there were times when I went outside and not having a ND filter it just slowed down the transistion, it took me longer to get ready.

James Manford · September 16th, 2013, 11:14 AM

Might be wrong, but I think I read in another thread you have to switch of FACE DETECTION, to control shutter with autofocus.

I shoot at 21db as well (well limit the camcorder to that). Manual lenses can be a bit tricky but you get used to focusing yourself due to peaking being so good.

I also own a Samyang F1.4 85mm best lens for capturing 'talking heads' at low light events. And if you move far away enough you can capture the whole body.

Iain P. Johnston · September 16th, 2013, 02:50 PM

Hi James,

I hope you don't mind me asking, what lens did you use for the speeches! I used the stock lens on my Wedding on Saturday but I wasn't happy with the results.

Iain J

Chris Harding · September 16th, 2013, 06:56 PM

Hi Iain

Speeches for me work well with a Tamron 17-50 F2.8 constant Nikon mount since I also use it on my still cameras. It's also very useful for ceremonies in Churches with really low light. I tried the Sigma 24 -70 but found that it just wasn't wide enough for ceremonies if the priest decides to walk up front!!

Chris

Dmitri Zigany · September 16th, 2013, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

Why cant I adjust the shutter while auto focus is on?

Because you shouldn't!

Randy Johnson · September 16th, 2013, 08:00 PM

Why not? Sometimes I need to drop the shutter from 1/60 to 1/30 in extreme low light now I need to put it in manual focus then drop it down and re engage auto focus.

Randy Johnson · September 16th, 2013, 08:01 PM

Chris,
Just curious how close can you get to the subject in the churches you work in?

Peter Rush · September 17th, 2013, 05:47 AM

I have the Metabones speedbooster so I use my Canon 28-105mm at F2.8 for dark receptions (talking head stuff) and my 70-200mm at F1.9 (I think this is correct because the LCD readout will not go below F2.0) for the speeches - that way I can film without getting in the way of the guests.

I'd like to try the Samyang 85mm 1.4 James but how do you deal with lack of stabilization - do you use a monopod?

Pete

Dmitri Zigany · September 17th, 2013, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Johnson

Why not? Sometimes I need to drop the shutter from 1/60 to 1/30 in extreme low light now I need to put it in manual focus then drop it down and re engage auto focus.

It's filmmaking 101. When shooting film/video shutter speed shouldn't be used to control light, but look.
The golden rule is to use a shutter of twice your frame rate (for the elusive 'filmic' look). So if you shoot 25fps you should have a shutter of 1/50. If you increase it you start getting a more video-ish look. Slower and you quickly get too much motion blur, and are probably better off raising the gain and live with the noise.
Different shutter speeds can also cause flicker in some lighting conditions, especially in 60hz land...

Chris Harding · September 17th, 2013, 06:41 AM

Hi Randy

I either position the main camera at the second row from the front or around that area so depending where the priest decides the bride and groom will stand I'm anything from 20' to 40' away...I found if I go further back in the aisle I get blocked totally by people in the front row when I swing the camera around when I'm filming the readings at a side lectern so up front is better.

Chris

Peter Rush · September 17th, 2013, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitri Zigany

It's filmmaking 101. When shooting film/video shutter speed shouldn't be used to control light, but look.
The golden rule is to use a shutter of twice your frame rate (for the elusive 'filmic' look).

Quite right Dmitri but Randy will find that pretty much impossible without ND filtration - I use the Genus Eclipse ND Fader

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Randy Johnson · September 17th, 2013, 08:34 AM

Chris,
Whoa! no wonder you dont need a longer lens out priests would throw us out for being that close:). I might be able to get that close for the money shot but the rest im much farther away depending on the church of course. Many of out churches want us in the back center isle.

September 16th, 2013, 09:55 AM	#1
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	First full shoot with EA50 well I maid it through my first full wedding (actually I did 2 in one day) and all in all it was good. I relized now that Chris was right I shot the whole thing in 21 db gain (because I had to) and I couldnt see grain at all the image was a bit "flat" and didnt have much punch but that could be the feeling you get with a DSLR film look camera. I DO want a faster lens though in some situations it just didnt have enough. The 85 mm at 1.4 looks like the best solution for me for now BUT I have to admit I was getting really comfortable with the auto focus which I assume will not work with a 3rd party lens.couple things though. Why cant I adjust the shutter while auto focus is on? (annoying!) how do I play footage back in the camera? All in all things went well but a ND filter would have been nice there were times when I went outside and not having a ND filter it just slowed down the transistion, it took me longer to get ready.

September 16th, 2013, 11:14 AM	#2
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Might be wrong, but I think I read in another thread you have to switch of FACE DETECTION, to control shutter with autofocus. I shoot at 21db as well (well limit the camcorder to that). Manual lenses can be a bit tricky but you get used to focusing yourself due to peaking being so good. I also own a Samyang F1.4 85mm best lens for capturing 'talking heads' at low light events. And if you move far away enough you can capture the whole body.

September 16th, 2013, 02:50 PM	#3
Iain P. Johnston New Boot Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 19	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Hi James, I hope you don't mind me asking, what lens did you use for the speeches! I used the stock lens on my Wedding on Saturday but I wasn't happy with the results. Iain J

September 16th, 2013, 06:56 PM	#4
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Hi Iain Speeches for me work well with a Tamron 17-50 F2.8 constant Nikon mount since I also use it on my still cameras. It's also very useful for ceremonies in Churches with really low light. I tried the Sigma 24 -70 but found that it just wasn't wide enough for ceremonies if the priest decides to walk up front!! Chris

September 16th, 2013, 08:00 PM	#6
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Why not? Sometimes I need to drop the shutter from 1/60 to 1/30 in extreme low light now I need to put it in manual focus then drop it down and re engage auto focus.

September 16th, 2013, 08:01 PM	#7
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Chris, Just curious how close can you get to the subject in the churches you work in?

September 17th, 2013, 05:47 AM	#8
Peter Rush Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK/Yorkshire Posts: 2,069	Re: First full shoot with EA50 I have the Metabones speedbooster so I use my Canon 28-105mm at F2.8 for dark receptions (talking head stuff) and my 70-200mm at F1.9 (I think this is correct because the LCD readout will not go below F2.0) for the speeches - that way I can film without getting in the way of the guests. I'd like to try the Samyang 85mm 1.4 James but how do you deal with lack of stabilization - do you use a monopod? Pete

September 17th, 2013, 06:41 AM	#10
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Hi Randy I either position the main camera at the second row from the front or around that area so depending where the priest decides the bride and groom will stand I'm anything from 20' to 40' away...I found if I go further back in the aisle I get blocked totally by people in the front row when I swing the camera around when I'm filming the readings at a side lectern so up front is better. Chris

September 17th, 2013, 08:34 AM	#12
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Re: First full shoot with EA50 Chris, Whoa! no wonder you dont need a longer lens out priests would throw us out for being that close:). I might be able to get that close for the money shot but the rest im much farther away depending on the church of course. Many of out churches want us in the back center isle.