Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter at DVinfo.net

Scott Nocella · September 12th, 2014, 04:44 PM

Seems the EA50 will be an entry level e-mount lens camera with the PXW-FS7 being the flagship for e-mount.

This camera is a beast for innovations, and has all the things that EA50 shooters would appreciate:

ND filtration on board, remote zoom mount, versatile form factor for shooting----etc.!!!!

It shoots 4K at 600mbps!!!, this is DSLR killer for sure, and it will mix up the broadcast world. Wifi and NFC are onboard so this is a great platform.

MSRP is going to be below $10K USA. Looks like they are going to include the new lens a 16-135mm F4 zoom thru.

Does 240 fps slow mo.....looks like this is the way to go. Looks like the EA50 has evolved, it's just turned into a higher end platform that you need to buy into.

I'd say keep the EA50 in your camera stable and get this camera. The EA50 is a great tool, The PSW-FS7 is a refined, sleek, highly functional 4k/2k precise instrument---it's hard to stay in the technology loop of upgrades, but I think not signing up to this upgrade is akin to staying in the digital stone age when looking at it from a perspective of hindsight 2 years from now. Like it or not 4k will be a reality---then 8K, then 10K.....etc.!!!

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James Manford · September 12th, 2014, 04:55 PM

The brochure says 180fps slo mo, not 240fps ...

Scott Nocella · September 12th, 2014, 05:00 PM

Was excited to make post, forgive my inaccuracies. also the f4 lens it comes with is 28-135mm F4 not what I posted prior.

It was announced today. Specs are outstanding.

Scott Nocella · September 12th, 2014, 05:24 PM

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Nice overview of pre-production unit.

Dmitri Zigany · September 12th, 2014, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Nocella

MSRP is going to be below $10K USA. Looks like they are going to include the new lens a 16-135mm F4 zoom thru.

Below $10.000 for body only.
Below $13.000 with kit lens (new 28-135 servo zoom cine lens)
Accessory Pack (needed to shoot raw etc): $2500

Chris Harding · September 12th, 2014, 10:02 PM

Yuk!! It's really an ugly camera in my opinion but I'm sure it will be a winner on the technical side. To do things correctly I think you would have to budget overall around $15K per camera

For me that's way too much capital expenditure for the return I get on weddings ..I suspect it would pay for itself in a corporate shoot scenario.

Chris

James Manford · September 12th, 2014, 10:47 PM

Well that's it Chris. I agree. All depends on the sort of work you're doing and if you can justify the expense. As you've clearly said your EA50's suffice for wedding work.

If some one was to have the money today to buy the FS700 or this FS7, they may well go for the FS7 as they will be at a similar price point.

What I won't understand is why certain people will sell their FS700's at a loss to buy the FS7 when it's clearly been said the FS7 isn't a replace for the FS700.

Aaron Jones Sr. · September 12th, 2014, 11:40 PM

Well, The FS700 does not cost as much as the FS7. There is a bit of a price break. Especially is you cfan get one in great condition pre-owned.

New Sony NEX FS700 $6900 here in the US.

James Manford · September 12th, 2014, 11:44 PM

You're right Aaron but I mean, buying an FS700 that is ready to shoot 4K like for like. The Odyssey 7Q recorder will set you back an additional $4000 I would of thought, with hard drives drives / license etc.

Again, at pre-owned prices you would probably still be better off buying the FS700. But most registered businesses will most likely buy new so they can reclaim back VAT / Taxes.

Gabe Strong · September 12th, 2014, 11:46 PM

Well, Sony can say it's not a replacement for the FS700 all they want, but
'If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....'

It sure seems to me there is a lot of overlap. E-mount for lens flexibility,
high frame rates, built in ND filters, better internal codec. Ability to do 4k
internally. Even the 'future upgradability' that the FS700 also offered. Sure
looks like a FS700 replacement to me. Seems like they listened to FS700
owners complaints and tried to address them (better ergonomics, 10 bit codec,
internal 4k) all while keeping the lighter weight body, cheaper batteries and
media, and more flexible lens mount which made the FS700 so popular.
And pretty similar price to what a new FS700 used to cost. They are squarely
aiming at the lower mid range market with this cam.

James Manford · September 12th, 2014, 11:48 PM

Instant differences that stand out to me are the fact the FS700 use the NP-F batteries which are cheap as chips to buy now (I say cheap but you know what I mean).

And the fact the FS700 has much higher frame rates for high speed recording.

Regarding 4K, we already have the Odyssey 7Q and the Atomos Shogun soon.

The only negative factor in my opinion would be the ergonomics ... but wack a FS700 on to a Manfrotto monopod and you're laughing. I would rather use a monopod over my shoulder any day of the week.

Aaron Jones Sr. · September 12th, 2014, 11:55 PM

Looking at it from a distance, I do however like the fact that they went and made a shoulder cam that works as a shoulder cam. It looks like a well balanced shoulder shooter and I'm sure there will be a host of after market pads and what not for it soon.

Noa Put · September 13th, 2014, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Nocella

this is DSLR killer for sure

Not sure what this camera has to do with a dslr, unless you can use it as a photocamera as well or hang it over your shoulder on a strap while you are on holiday?
I don't even see it as a "pro" version of the ea50 but rather a improved version of the fs700. The ea50 is a dslr but with another formfactor, it's in no way related to the FS7, you might as well compare the FS7 to my sony handicam.The FS7 is more a camera in the same range as the BMD ursa.

Randy Johnson · September 13th, 2014, 06:38 AM

I think this is kinda like the 4K of the Cannon xl-1 its a camera with a fairly open architecture aimed at film guys

Glen Vandermolen · September 13th, 2014, 07:59 AM

Sony says it won't replace the FS700 or F5. But I'm certain it will cannibalize sales of both. It has better features and form factor than the FS700, at just a slightly higher price. It has many features of the F5, but at a much cheaper price - around $6,000 less.

Sony seems willing to sacrifice the FS700 and the F5 to go after the C300. I think they want to dominate the market the C300 has had for years.

In my opinion, this is darn near a perfect camera . For me, anyway. Great shoulder design, very adaptable lens mount, 4K internal recording, or good ol' HD, take your pick. And at a price that's thousands less than the competition.
And remember, the cheaper Sony 18-105 and 18-200 power zoom lenses also work with this camera. Not for 4K, but they're fine up to 1080/60P. So, $8,000 for the body and $500-1,000 for the cheaper zooms, add some XQD cards and you're ready to roll.

September 12th, 2014, 04:44 PM	#1
Scott Nocella Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Long Island, USA Posts: 46	Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Seems the EA50 will be an entry level e-mount lens camera with the PXW-FS7 being the flagship for e-mount. This camera is a beast for innovations, and has all the things that EA50 shooters would appreciate: ND filtration on board, remote zoom mount, versatile form factor for shooting----etc.!!!! It shoots 4K at 600mbps!!!, this is DSLR killer for sure, and it will mix up the broadcast world. Wifi and NFC are onboard so this is a great platform. MSRP is going to be below $10K USA. Looks like they are going to include the new lens a 16-135mm F4 zoom thru. Does 240 fps slow mo.....looks like this is the way to go. Looks like the EA50 has evolved, it's just turned into a higher end platform that you need to buy into. I'd say keep the EA50 in your camera stable and get this camera. The EA50 is a great tool, The PSW-FS7 is a refined, sleek, highly functional 4k/2k precise instrument---it's hard to stay in the technology loop of upgrades, but I think not signing up to this upgrade is akin to staying in the digital stone age when looking at it from a perspective of hindsight 2 years from now. Like it or not 4k will be a reality---then 8K, then 10K.....etc.!!! Sony Announces Documentary-Style PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera \| Studio Daily

September 12th, 2014, 04:55 PM	#2
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter The brochure says 180fps slo mo, not 240fps ...

September 12th, 2014, 05:00 PM	#3
Scott Nocella Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Long Island, USA Posts: 46	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Was excited to make post, forgive my inaccuracies. also the f4 lens it comes with is 28-135mm F4 not what I posted prior. It was announced today. Specs are outstanding.

September 12th, 2014, 05:24 PM	#4
Scott Nocella Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Long Island, USA Posts: 46	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Sony FS7 launched, portable Super35 4K camera, exclusive hands-on video \| cinema5D Nice overview of pre-production unit.

September 12th, 2014, 10:02 PM	#6
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Yuk!! It's really an ugly camera in my opinion but I'm sure it will be a winner on the technical side. To do things correctly I think you would have to budget overall around $15K per camera For me that's way too much capital expenditure for the return I get on weddings ..I suspect it would pay for itself in a corporate shoot scenario. Chris

September 12th, 2014, 10:47 PM	#7
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Well that's it Chris. I agree. All depends on the sort of work you're doing and if you can justify the expense. As you've clearly said your EA50's suffice for wedding work. If some one was to have the money today to buy the FS700 or this FS7, they may well go for the FS7 as they will be at a similar price point. What I won't understand is why certain people will sell their FS700's at a loss to buy the FS7 when it's clearly been said the FS7 isn't a replace for the FS700.

September 12th, 2014, 11:40 PM	#8
Aaron Jones Sr. Major Player Join Date: May 2013 Location: Flint, Michigan, USA Posts: 393	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Well, The FS700 does not cost as much as the FS7. There is a bit of a price break. Especially is you cfan get one in great condition pre-owned. New Sony NEX FS700 $6900 here in the US.

September 12th, 2014, 11:44 PM	#9
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter You're right Aaron but I mean, buying an FS700 that is ready to shoot 4K like for like. The Odyssey 7Q recorder will set you back an additional $4000 I would of thought, with hard drives drives / license etc. Again, at pre-owned prices you would probably still be better off buying the FS700. But most registered businesses will most likely buy new so they can reclaim back VAT / Taxes.

September 12th, 2014, 11:46 PM	#10
Gabe Strong Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 814	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Well, Sony can say it's not a replacement for the FS700 all they want, but 'If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....' It sure seems to me there is a lot of overlap. E-mount for lens flexibility, high frame rates, built in ND filters, better internal codec. Ability to do 4k internally. Even the 'future upgradability' that the FS700 also offered. Sure looks like a FS700 replacement to me. Seems like they listened to FS700 owners complaints and tried to address them (better ergonomics, 10 bit codec, internal 4k) all while keeping the lighter weight body, cheaper batteries and media, and more flexible lens mount which made the FS700 so popular. And pretty similar price to what a new FS700 used to cost. They are squarely aiming at the lower mid range market with this cam.

September 12th, 2014, 11:48 PM	#11
James Manford Trustee Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,393	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Instant differences that stand out to me are the fact the FS700 use the NP-F batteries which are cheap as chips to buy now (I say cheap but you know what I mean). And the fact the FS700 has much higher frame rates for high speed recording. Regarding 4K, we already have the Odyssey 7Q and the Atomos Shogun soon. The only negative factor in my opinion would be the ergonomics ... but wack a FS700 on to a Manfrotto monopod and you're laughing. I would rather use a monopod over my shoulder any day of the week.

September 12th, 2014, 11:55 PM	#12
Aaron Jones Sr. Major Player Join Date: May 2013 Location: Flint, Michigan, USA Posts: 393	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Looking at it from a distance, I do however like the fact that they went and made a shoulder cam that works as a shoulder cam. It looks like a well balanced shoulder shooter and I'm sure there will be a host of after market pads and what not for it soon.

September 13th, 2014, 06:38 AM	#14
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter I think this is kinda like the 4K of the Cannon xl-1 its a camera with a fairly open architecture aimed at film guys

September 13th, 2014, 07:59 AM	#15
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: Sony announces PXW-FS7 4K UHD Camera, This is what the EA50 is as 4K shooter Sony says it won't replace the FS700 or F5. But I'm certain it will cannibalize sales of both. It has better features and form factor than the FS700, at just a slightly higher price. It has many features of the F5, but at a much cheaper price - around $6,000 less. Sony seems willing to sacrifice the FS700 and the F5 to go after the C300. I think they want to dominate the market the C300 has had for years. In my opinion, this is darn near a perfect camera . For me, anyway. Great shoulder design, very adaptable lens mount, 4K internal recording, or good ol' HD, take your pick. And at a price that's thousands less than the competition. And remember, the cheaper Sony 18-105 and 18-200 power zoom lenses also work with this camera. Not for 4K, but they're fine up to 1080/60P. So, $8,000 for the body and $500-1,000 for the cheaper zooms, add some XQD cards and you're ready to roll.