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Bill Bruner April 24th, 2011 10:59 AM

Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Upcoming F3 vs FS100 vs AF100 | Philip Bloom

Really looking forward to this.

Andy Wilkinson April 24th, 2011 11:04 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Yep, me too!

Alister Chapman April 24th, 2011 01:38 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Can't wait, but then I and Den Lennie will have a FS-100, my F3, a VG10 and a Canon 550D to play with on Tuesday :-)

Erik Phairas April 24th, 2011 01:58 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Hope he compares brightness and noise levels at max gain.

Joachim Hoge April 26th, 2011 11:08 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
I hope he compares how 25p looks as I have had a lot of trouble with my af101.
It just does not look right to me, at least compared to my ex-3. A lot of judder.

I needed the camera for a production, but I wouldn't mind selling it and get a f3 or fs100 instead.

Alister Chapman April 26th, 2011 01:44 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
We shot everything with the FS-100 at 24P today.

Doug Jensen April 26th, 2011 02:07 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Alister, I think I heard something about a wedding over there on Friday. Is too late to talk the bride into letting you shoot some video of the ceremony with the FS100? Seems like a good opportunity to show event videographers what the camera can do in a typical wedding.

PS. You might need to rent a tux.

Alister Chapman April 26th, 2011 04:17 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
You know, even when I told them I would use the very latest camera and do it as a freebie they just didn't seem interested in having me stand behind the Bishop to get a close up of the wedding vows.

I heard that they are using some co-operative made up of 3 local cowboy outfits, the BBC/ITV and Sky instead. What do they know, I could have picked up the required 60 cameras and 8 HD OB trucks on ebay, crewed it with DV-Info'ers and then split the Blu-ray sales between us and the royal family. I'm sure with such an extended family they would have wanted plenty of copies.

Bill Bruner April 27th, 2011 04:30 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Philip's first impressions, before the full review:

Sony FS100…just my first impressions | Philip Bloom

Doug Jensen April 27th, 2011 05:55 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Having used a pre-production FS100 myself, I can agree with most of Phil's impressions of the camera. However, he says " . . . HDMI and it is only 8 bit 422 . . ."

I have no way of testing it myself, but I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. I have been told personally by Juan Martinez at Sony USA that the HDMI output is 8-bit 4:4:4.
And if you don't have a recorder that can handle 4:4:4, then the camera will automatically send 4:2:2.
At least that is what I have been told by the man who should know.

Glen Vandermolen April 27th, 2011 06:09 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Bloom's review puts Nigel's earlier review in proper context. So many on this and other forums were quick to damn the FS100 based solely on Nigel's review. I thought his review complaining about too small controls seemed a bit nit-picky and rushed.
It's good to see the FS100 vindicated by Bloom and many others.

And I still haven't received my wedding invite. Do you suppose it got delayed through the international shipping?

Erik Phairas April 27th, 2011 06:33 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 

1st F3
2nd FS100, milky skies, trees oversaturated.
3rd AF100, shadow detail lost.

Steve Mullen April 27th, 2011 08:47 PM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
1st F3 << great resolution, but text on white sign board is blown out. So the shadow detail was obtained at the loss of detail in bright areas.

2nd FS100 << leaf detail lost and concrete has green tint. Text on sign board almost read! But, shadow detail less than F3.

3rd AF100 << Perfect saturation, but shadow detail is gone and text on white sign board is blown out.

That's what I see, but there are so many camera settings involved.

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"just HDMI and it is only 8 bit 422 even though HDMI can do 10 bit 422 because the processor is only 8 bit."

I think this should read, "... just HDMI and it is 8 bit because the the DSP output is 8-bit."

When RGB data are converted to YUV, once an AVCHD encoder were to encounter 4:4:4 data, it would convert them to 4:2:0. Given the desire to save cost, it makes perfect sense to never create 4:4:4 YUV -- unless Sony really really wants to support recording via HDMI.

Another possible cost saving strategy, use a cheaper HDMI output chip that only does 8-bits and 4:2:2.

We'll have to wait testing to know for certain. One wonders why Philip thinks HDMI is 4:2:2?

Steve Nelson April 28th, 2011 05:14 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
This is real interesting!


Glen Vandermolen April 28th, 2011 07:56 AM

Re: Upcoming hands-on comparison of F3, FS100 and AF100 from Philip Bloom
 
Wow, cool test.
The F3 and 5D look great.
What's amazing is how good the FS100 looks at 30db! As an old school video guy, the thought of ever shooting above 9db is a pariah, but I could use that high gain on the FS100.
The AF100 doesn't appear to be in the same league with the others - very noisy.

Looking at the pic on Bloom's website of all 3 video cameras next to each other, the FS100 looks so much smaller. Very compact design.


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