PDX-10 &TRV-950 16:9 ratio at DVinfo.net

Kenn Jolemore · October 8th, 2002, 04:49 AM

Several people have been having a conversation on the similarities and differences of these two camera's. We have been trying to determine if both camera's have the same 16:9 aspect ratio or if the 950 cuts 25% of the picture off as the vx-2000 and trv-900 do. Does anyone have a difinitive answer to this question and the relevant link or site info supporting it ?
KennJ

Margus Kivilaan · October 8th, 2002, 07:19 AM

hi Kenn,
i don't have an answer, but i'm freaking sure they both have similar chips and signal processing circuits.

my two cents..

regards, Margus

Kenn Jolemore · October 8th, 2002, 07:50 AM

As they have exactly the same chip in them the difference if any must be in the software programing , yes? And if that is so there must be a way to make the 950 function as the 10 does theoreticaly.
KennJ

Margus Kivilaan · October 8th, 2002, 08:19 AM

i have'nt had possibility to try 950, but 2000 and 900 produce the same quality picture as pd150 and pd100 accordingly, no need for any software changes. It would be really something new, if Sony would restrict 950 possibilities to make it's picture quality worse than pdx10. Yeah.... but you never know...

Margus

Dennis Hull · October 11th, 2002, 07:58 PM

Kenn, I have suggested www.creativevideo.co.uk/ to others in this forum. Go to site, select DV Camcorder tab on left, scroll to description of PDX10 and select link titled "true 16X9. I don't know if their explanation is accurate or what you want, but it does discuss 16X9 as done by PDX10--I wonder if TRV950 does it same way-- anyone have info on that??

Frank Granovski · October 13th, 2002, 01:19 AM

According to that site, it's only the PDX10 that does this, not the TRV950. It's wide screen..., but is it also 24P?

Dennis Hull · October 13th, 2002, 02:50 PM

Frank, doubt it's 24P but can't tell from minimal info Sony puts on website (finally have found their professional website). Can someone please tell me what 14 Bit DXP (Digital Extended Processor) in PDX10 means and what if any benefits it provides. Margus first pointed 14 bit out in this forum and it is mentioned in Sony's minimalist PDX10 internet brochure (but no mention in their brochure about "true 16X9" this camera has, which seems like a beneficial feature they should mention).

By the way, kudos to Sony's new wave internet marketing. I used to think their sites were just not as good as Canon's in terms of information availability. But then I figured it out-- Sony is deliberately and fiendishly making it so hard to find information that people try all the harder to find info. I suspect (since I am not a gamer) it is like games where you pass gates of difficulty, each one harder but more rewarding when you conquer it. You get hooked trying harder and harder to find and finally unlock the Sony Secret Information Trove (it's just got to be hidden out there somewhere). By the way, Canon makes it way too easy so I suspect gamers have dropped Canon and moved on to Sony for the real challenge. Go to Canon website, download tons of information-- where's the challenge in that??

Frank Granovski · October 15th, 2002, 02:02 AM

That's a good point about Sony's "find the info game." They do make games. I guess the strategy spills into their web design. (I was only kidding about the 24P. Honestly.)

Dennis Hull · October 15th, 2002, 06:36 PM

Frank, I am up one level in the Sony hide the info game--a Dragonmaster (sounds sort of gamey doesn't it) pretending to be a Sony customer service rep at the "professional" 800 phone line referred me to www.sony.com\professional. He did that because he could not answer my question about what is the benefit of 14 Bit DXP advertised in one blurb about PDX10 nor could he refer me to anyone else at Sony to talk to. Still, I can't blame Sony-- my purchases will not justify much effort on their part and I do tend to want to know more than I really need to know.

Kenn Jolemore · October 16th, 2002, 04:29 AM

Take a look at these pictorial comparisons of the vaarious shot settings between the 950 and 10 at.
http://www.techshop.net/PDX-10/
KennJ

Dennis Hull · October 16th, 2002, 07:03 PM

Kenn, from what my novice eyes tell me from your referenced site and the creativevideo one I saw earlier, looks like PDX10 does actually have benefits in 16X9 ??

October 17th, 2002, 02:06 AM

How many TV lines does the PDX10P resolve at 16:9 is ther eany loss?

October 8th, 2002, 04:49 AM	#1
Kenn Jolemore Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: norfolk Va. Posts: 124	PDX-10 &TRV-950 16:9 ratio Several people have been having a conversation on the similarities and differences of these two camera's. We have been trying to determine if both camera's have the same 16:9 aspect ratio or if the 950 cuts 25% of the picture off as the vx-2000 and trv-900 do. Does anyone have a difinitive answer to this question and the relevant link or site info supporting it ? KennJ __________________ KennJ

October 8th, 2002, 07:50 AM	#3
Kenn Jolemore Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: norfolk Va. Posts: 124	As they have exactly the same chip in them the difference if any must be in the software programing , yes? And if that is so there must be a way to make the 950 function as the 10 does theoreticaly. KennJ __________________ KennJ

October 11th, 2002, 07:58 PM	#5
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	True 16X9 Kenn, I have suggested www.creativevideo.co.uk/ to others in this forum. Go to site, select DV Camcorder tab on left, scroll to description of PDX10 and select link titled "true 16X9. I don't know if their explanation is accurate or what you want, but it does discuss 16X9 as done by PDX10--I wonder if TRV950 does it same way-- anyone have info on that??

October 13th, 2002, 02:50 PM	#7
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	PDX10 24P and 14 Bit DXP Frank, doubt it's 24P but can't tell from minimal info Sony puts on website (finally have found their professional website). Can someone please tell me what 14 Bit DXP (Digital Extended Processor) in PDX10 means and what if any benefits it provides. Margus first pointed 14 bit out in this forum and it is mentioned in Sony's minimalist PDX10 internet brochure (but no mention in their brochure about "true 16X9" this camera has, which seems like a beneficial feature they should mention). By the way, kudos to Sony's new wave internet marketing. I used to think their sites were just not as good as Canon's in terms of information availability. But then I figured it out-- Sony is deliberately and fiendishly making it so hard to find information that people try all the harder to find info. I suspect (since I am not a gamer) it is like games where you pass gates of difficulty, each one harder but more rewarding when you conquer it. You get hooked trying harder and harder to find and finally unlock the Sony Secret Information Trove (it's just got to be hidden out there somewhere). By the way, Canon makes it way too easy so I suspect gamers have dropped Canon and moved on to Sony for the real challenge. Go to Canon website, download tons of information-- where's the challenge in that??

October 15th, 2002, 06:36 PM	#9
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	Find the Info Game Frank, I am up one level in the Sony hide the info game--a Dragonmaster (sounds sort of gamey doesn't it) pretending to be a Sony customer service rep at the "professional" 800 phone line referred me to www.sony.com\professional. He did that because he could not answer my question about what is the benefit of 14 Bit DXP advertised in one blurb about PDX10 nor could he refer me to anyone else at Sony to talk to. Still, I can't blame Sony-- my purchases will not justify much effort on their part and I do tend to want to know more than I really need to know.

October 8th, 2002, 07:19 AM	#2
Margus Kivilaan Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 123	hi Kenn, i don't have an answer, but i'm freaking sure they both have similar chips and signal processing circuits. my two cents.. regards, Margus

October 8th, 2002, 08:19 AM	#4
Margus Kivilaan Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 123	i have'nt had possibility to try 950, but 2000 and 900 produce the same quality picture as pd150 and pd100 accordingly, no need for any software changes. It would be really something new, if Sony would restrict 950 possibilities to make it's picture quality worse than pdx10. Yeah.... but you never know... Margus

October 13th, 2002, 01:19 AM	#6
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	According to that site, it's only the PDX10 that does this, not the TRV950. It's wide screen..., but is it also 24P?

October 15th, 2002, 02:02 AM	#8
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	That's a good point about Sony's "find the info game." They do make games. I guess the strategy spills into their web design. (I was only kidding about the 24P. Honestly.)

October 16th, 2002, 04:29 AM	#10
Kenn Jolemore Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: norfolk Va. Posts: 124	When you can Take a look at these pictorial comparisons of the vaarious shot settings between the 950 and 10 at. http://www.techshop.net/PDX-10/ KennJ __________________ KennJ

October 16th, 2002, 07:03 PM	#11
Dennis Hull Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN USA Posts: 151	True 16X9 Kenn, from what my novice eyes tell me from your referenced site and the creativevideo one I saw earlier, looks like PDX10 does actually have benefits in 16X9 ??

October 17th, 2002, 02:06 AM	#12
ThreeSixtyProductions Posts: n/a	How many TV lines does the PDX10P resolve at 16:9 is ther eany loss?