Saw, touched, and tested the new Sony PD-170 at DVinfo.net

Frederic Segard · October 9th, 2003, 09:20 PM

I was at the Sony Fall Show in Montreal yesterday and today, hoping to see a glimpse of the new PD-170. Well there it was, a fully functional pre-production NTSC model.

The first thing I noticed was that Sony slightly changed the color. The front barrel is black (or rather dark coal). When I grabbed it, I immediately felt the added strength to the handle. It felt more solid then the PD-150.

The specs are not that different from what we have seen so far on the web: Bigger viewfinder, hybrid LCD, both VF and LCD on at the same time, improved sound (6dB), 1 Lux instead of 2, bundled 0.7 wide-angle with lens hood, dual speed zoom (switchable) and start/stop on handle, 24 step iris instead of 12, and taller handle. The rest is pretty much the same as the PD-150.

The low light capacity has been improved, not by the replacement of newer CCDs, but by optimizing signal processing. Just to confirm some points, the new PD-170 does NOT, and will NOT have the following: 24p, 30p, clearscan/syncroscan, scene file buttons, larger LCD, barrel markers, true 16x9 CCDs.

During my brief tests, the PD-170 performed as expected. I've long hesitated between the PD-150 and the Panasonic DVX-100. I've read as much as I could on both, read comparisons, heard testimonies; both cameras are very good, but one thing I know for sure is that I will never shoot 24p, or even 30p for that matter. As an event and corporate videographer, fluid motion it a must. I often find myself in hard shooting situations, and robustness is a must. The DVX100, although solid, is not as robust as the PD150/170. And when in doubt, I can always elect to record DVCAM as a security measure it the shoot is very important. We all know there are no second takes in event videography. All this to say that I pre-ordered my new PD-170 today. If all goes as planed, I should be playing with it in mid-November. Yep! That's right, you read well, mid-November.

Hope this sheds some light on the PD-170 arena.

Shawn Mielke · October 10th, 2003, 02:11 AM

Thanks for the report, Frederic. I am looking forward to this camera. How much did you pay (US$ equiv.), if you don't mind my asking?

Frank Granovski · October 10th, 2003, 01:37 PM

Thanks for the report. However, the DVX100 felt very solid to me.

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Lucas Hall · October 12th, 2003, 11:38 AM

And for all this time....many people keep on saying that Sony PD-170 is just a rumor. *sigh*

Frederic Segard · October 12th, 2003, 12:44 PM

Shawn: The PD-170 is supposed to be the same price as the PD-150, but with the wide-angle lens included. Because the exchange rate between US and CDN dollars vary wildly these days, I can't be sure of the exact price until the unit arrives in Montreal, but the expected price is $4600CDN, that would be approximately $3400US with the exchange rate. Mileage may vary, depending on where you buy it in the US. B&H will surely have killer prices as usual.

Joel: The availability of the VX2100, according to the Sony announcement on October 7, is expected to be available in December 2003.

Frank: I have tried the DVX100 a few times, it is far from a cheap camera, it is a worthy adversary to any camcorder in its price range. But turn the unit off, and lightly shake it a bit, and you'll here the optical stabilizer assembly moving. Although the fact that I made it move at power off did not alter the quality of the footage afterwards, the idea did not sit well in my mind. The construction, although in magnesium-alloy, felt slightly stronger on the PD170. But, and I mean but, this is in my own subjective opinion.

Lucas: Rumor? Yep! For a while, I thought that too, especially upon seeing the 17P PDF hoax.

Fred

Dave Largent · October 12th, 2003, 01:12 PM

Frederic,
Do you think it'll Canada before US, or simultaneously?

Frank Granovski · October 12th, 2003, 02:06 PM

Fred. My MX300's optical stabilizer does this too.

Frederic Segard · October 17th, 2003, 08:33 AM

Dave: My guess is that it will be available in the US first, and then a few days later in Canada. The US is Sony's HUB for North America, so to speak, so I would be truly surprised if it popped up in Canada first. :-)

Frank: So I take it its not un uncommon problem?

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Back to the DVX100 and PD-150/170 battle!

I had the oppertunity to play again with the DVX100 this week, and the sleeping "confusion" monster woke up in me again. Man! I sure am tired of this internal debate. Found some more pros and cons between both of them... yet again! I really have to settle on one by the end of this month, otherwise I'll go insane. Besides, mid-november is coming up real soon!

My main concern right now?

- Synchroscan or Clearscan (same thing, different name), is the ability to match your shutter speed to a CRTs refresh rate. For corporte vids, it's a must.

- The LCD size of the Pana at 3.5" is a big plus for me (my eye sight isn't getting better). :-(

- Yet DVCAM recording is important for those extra precious shoots where probable droupouts are a big no-no!.

I really must think things thru. Any help is welcome. :-)

Fred

George Loch · October 17th, 2003, 11:37 AM

Do either of the cameras have clearscan capability?

GL

Frederic Segard · October 17th, 2003, 12:39 PM

DVX100 yes, PD150/170 no!

OK! I know... my choice is clear since I need synchroscan/clearscan. ;-)

October 9th, 2003, 09:20 PM	#1
Frederic Segard Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 209	Saw, touched, and tested the new Sony PD-170 I was at the Sony Fall Show in Montreal yesterday and today, hoping to see a glimpse of the new PD-170. Well there it was, a fully functional pre-production NTSC model. The first thing I noticed was that Sony slightly changed the color. The front barrel is black (or rather dark coal). When I grabbed it, I immediately felt the added strength to the handle. It felt more solid then the PD-150. The specs are not that different from what we have seen so far on the web: Bigger viewfinder, hybrid LCD, both VF and LCD on at the same time, improved sound (6dB), 1 Lux instead of 2, bundled 0.7 wide-angle with lens hood, dual speed zoom (switchable) and start/stop on handle, 24 step iris instead of 12, and taller handle. The rest is pretty much the same as the PD-150. The low light capacity has been improved, not by the replacement of newer CCDs, but by optimizing signal processing. Just to confirm some points, the new PD-170 does NOT, and will NOT have the following: 24p, 30p, clearscan/syncroscan, scene file buttons, larger LCD, barrel markers, true 16x9 CCDs. During my brief tests, the PD-170 performed as expected. I've long hesitated between the PD-150 and the Panasonic DVX-100. I've read as much as I could on both, read comparisons, heard testimonies; both cameras are very good, but one thing I know for sure is that I will never shoot 24p, or even 30p for that matter. As an event and corporate videographer, fluid motion it a must. I often find myself in hard shooting situations, and robustness is a must. The DVX100, although solid, is not as robust as the PD150/170. And when in doubt, I can always elect to record DVCAM as a security measure it the shoot is very important. We all know there are no second takes in event videography. All this to say that I pre-ordered my new PD-170 today. If all goes as planed, I should be playing with it in mid-November. Yep! That's right, you read well, mid-November. Hope this sheds some light on the PD-170 arena.

October 10th, 2003, 02:11 AM	#2
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	Thanks for the report, Frederic. I am looking forward to this camera. How much did you pay (US$ equiv.), if you don't mind my asking? __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

October 17th, 2003, 11:37 AM	#9
George Loch Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: . Posts: 105	Do either of the cameras have clearscan capability? GL __________________ http://www.motoxpress.com

October 10th, 2003, 01:37 PM	#3
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks for the report. However, the DVX100 felt very solid to me. ----------------------------------------- Der Schnurrbart meiner Katze ist schwarz, nicht weiss; und wenn ich sie strechle, schnurrt sie.

October 12th, 2003, 11:38 AM	#4
Lucas Hall Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 45	And for all this time....many people keep on saying that Sony PD-170 is just a rumor. sigh

October 12th, 2003, 12:44 PM	#5
Frederic Segard Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 209	Shawn: The PD-170 is supposed to be the same price as the PD-150, but with the wide-angle lens included. Because the exchange rate between US and CDN dollars vary wildly these days, I can't be sure of the exact price until the unit arrives in Montreal, but the expected price is $4600CDN, that would be approximately $3400US with the exchange rate. Mileage may vary, depending on where you buy it in the US. B&H will surely have killer prices as usual. Joel: The availability of the VX2100, according to the Sony announcement on October 7, is expected to be available in December 2003. Frank: I have tried the DVX100 a few times, it is far from a cheap camera, it is a worthy adversary to any camcorder in its price range. But turn the unit off, and lightly shake it a bit, and you'll here the optical stabilizer assembly moving. Although the fact that I made it move at power off did not alter the quality of the footage afterwards, the idea did not sit well in my mind. The construction, although in magnesium-alloy, felt slightly stronger on the PD170. But, and I mean but, this is in my own subjective opinion. Lucas: Rumor? Yep! For a while, I thought that too, especially upon seeing the 17P PDF hoax. Fred

October 12th, 2003, 01:12 PM	#6
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Frederic, Do you think it'll Canada before US, or simultaneously?

October 12th, 2003, 02:06 PM	#7
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Fred. My MX300's optical stabilizer does this too.

October 17th, 2003, 08:33 AM	#8
Frederic Segard Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 209	Dave: My guess is that it will be available in the US first, and then a few days later in Canada. The US is Sony's HUB for North America, so to speak, so I would be truly surprised if it popped up in Canada first. :-) Frank: So I take it its not un uncommon problem? ---- Back to the DVX100 and PD-150/170 battle! I had the oppertunity to play again with the DVX100 this week, and the sleeping "confusion" monster woke up in me again. Man! I sure am tired of this internal debate. Found some more pros and cons between both of them... yet again! I really have to settle on one by the end of this month, otherwise I'll go insane. Besides, mid-november is coming up real soon! My main concern right now? - Synchroscan or Clearscan (same thing, different name), is the ability to match your shutter speed to a CRTs refresh rate. For corporte vids, it's a must. - The LCD size of the Pana at 3.5" is a big plus for me (my eye sight isn't getting better). :-( - Yet DVCAM recording is important for those extra precious shoots where probable droupouts are a big no-no!. I really must think things thru. Any help is welcome. :-) Fred

October 17th, 2003, 12:39 PM	#10
Frederic Segard Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 209	DVX100 yes, PD150/170 no! OK! I know... my choice is clear since I need synchroscan/clearscan. ;-)