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August 27th, 2002, 11:59 AM

Help.
Is there any way around the 12.5frames/sec progressive scan mode? I know the Canon GL1 can shoot in "Frame Mode"- 24frames/sec..and the result looks very filmic.
Any way to use Progressive Scan to get similar results (a better film look)?

Thanks
Drew

Mike Rehmus · August 27th, 2002, 12:46 PM

The camera only runs at the factory setting.

The GL1 will operate at 30 pfs in frame mode. It does not run at 24 fps.

Matt Stahley · August 27th, 2002, 01:21 PM

drop the camera down to 1/30 shutter speed (1/25 PAL).
this gives you more of a "filmy look".
you may have to add a ND filter to the lens itself to prevent over exposure at this shutter speed as sometimes the built in one is not enoughbut this all depends on what and where you are shooting.

Mike Rehmus · August 27th, 2002, 02:15 PM

Has anyone really compared frame mode to a post production film-look filter application? I don't think I've ever seen one.

August 27th, 2002, 02:33 PM

thanks for response.
i just shot at shutter speed 30 and with good lighting=--- and you're right it turned out looking filmic (w/ some help from after effects). it's the outdoor work that i'm concerned w/--
any suggestions on good filters that will help w/ over exposure at 1/30 AND OR filters that knock out that "video" feel?

drew

(? Black Promist filter, Tiffen ?)

Mike Rehmus · August 27th, 2002, 02:49 PM

The Black ProMist does make it look a bit dreamy. But I've got a #1 and I haven't tried it at one-thirtieth of a second. So I cannot evaluate it for the film look for you.

Chris Tsamados · August 27th, 2002, 05:39 PM

I can't set my VX2000E to 30 FPS only 25 FPS. Is this something to do with Pal being 24 FPS and NTSC being 29.97 FPS?

Adrian Douglas · August 27th, 2002, 07:14 PM

It sure does. The shutter speeds are related to the number of interlaced fields. PAL has 50 fields, therefore the shutter speeds will corespond with that.

You are also a little mixed up in your names of things.

FPS is Frames per second. This is the number of frames of interlaced/full frame video recorded in one second. In consumer cameras this is not adjustable.

PAL is actually 25fps, film is 24 and as you mentioned NTSC is 29.97

Chris Tsamados · August 28th, 2002, 03:17 AM

Opps I meant to say I can't set the shutter speed to 1/30, it was late thats my excuse.

Adrian Douglas · August 28th, 2002, 07:46 AM

I realized that Chris. Either way if your camera is a PAL version, which apears to be the case, the available shutter speed will be 1/25 of a sec, for NTSC it will be 1/30

August 27th, 2002, 12:46 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	The camera only runs at the factory setting. The GL1 will operate at 30 pfs in frame mode. It does not run at 24 fps. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 27th, 2002, 02:15 PM	#4
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Has anyone really compared frame mode to a post production film-look filter application? I don't think I've ever seen one. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 27th, 2002, 02:33 PM	#5
Drew Craig Posts: n/a	progessive scan thanks for response. i just shot at shutter speed 30 and with good lighting=--- and you're right it turned out looking filmic (w/ some help from after effects). it's the outdoor work that i'm concerned w/-- any suggestions on good filters that will help w/ over exposure at 1/30 AND OR filters that knock out that "video" feel? drew (? Black Promist filter, Tiffen ?)

August 27th, 2002, 02:49 PM	#6
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	The Black ProMist does make it look a bit dreamy. But I've got a #1 and I haven't tried it at one-thirtieth of a second. So I cannot evaluate it for the film look for you. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

August 27th, 2002, 07:14 PM	#8
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	It sure does. The shutter speeds are related to the number of interlaced fields. PAL has 50 fields, therefore the shutter speeds will corespond with that. You are also a little mixed up in your names of things. FPS is Frames per second. This is the number of frames of interlaced/full frame video recorded in one second. In consumer cameras this is not adjustable. PAL is actually 25fps, film is 24 and as you mentioned NTSC is 29.97 __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

August 27th, 2002, 11:59 AM	#1
Drew Craig Posts: n/a	Progressive Scan on VX2000?? HELP Help. Is there any way around the 12.5frames/sec progressive scan mode? I know the Canon GL1 can shoot in "Frame Mode"- 24frames/sec..and the result looks very filmic. Any way to use Progressive Scan to get similar results (a better film look)? Thanks Drew

August 27th, 2002, 01:21 PM	#3
Matt Stahley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Waynesboro, PA Posts: 648	drop the camera down to 1/30 shutter speed (1/25 PAL). this gives you more of a "filmy look". you may have to add a ND filter to the lens itself to prevent over exposure at this shutter speed as sometimes the built in one is not enoughbut this all depends on what and where you are shooting.

August 27th, 2002, 05:39 PM	#7
Chris Tsamados Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36	I can't set my VX2000E to 30 FPS only 25 FPS. Is this something to do with Pal being 24 FPS and NTSC being 29.97 FPS?

August 28th, 2002, 03:17 AM	#9
Chris Tsamados Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36	Opps I meant to say I can't set the shutter speed to 1/30, it was late thats my excuse.

August 28th, 2002, 07:46 AM	#10
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	I realized that Chris. Either way if your camera is a PAL version, which apears to be the case, the available shutter speed will be 1/25 of a sec, for NTSC it will be 1/30 __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors