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Old October 23rd, 2005, 11:38 PM   #1
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Will Sony update the PD170?

I see that Panasonic is in the process of updating their DVX100A to the DVX100B while also preparing to introduce their new HD camera, the HVX200. Personally, I compliment Panasonic on not neglecting their SD line while developing HD. It seems to me that the PD170 could use an update as well. Question is: Will Sony update, or just leave the 170 as-is and focus on pushing their HDcams? I need a new camera soon, and since I have no use for HD, will certainly consider the updated Panny if Sony decides to let the 170 languish.
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Old October 24th, 2005, 10:56 AM   #2
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I'm not convinced the lower end PD series is going to be continued. The PD170 was more than a half arsed effort (see earlier thread I made) and offered only a few advantages over the PD150, as Sony seemed a lot more keen to put their efforts into consumer/low end professional level HDV camcorders. The FX1/Z1E is basically a replacement for the PD170 whilst the 170 is still in production. I think its at the end of its lifespan. Wouldn't say no to a brand new SD camcorder mind!
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Old October 24th, 2005, 01:17 PM   #3
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Link to updatd DVX

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...del=AG-DVX100B

On Panasonic's website..
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Old October 26th, 2005, 08:10 AM   #4
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If you check out Sony's site they are in the process of updating their U.S. DVCAM page. In any event they have a banner on their with the following slogan, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

While I agree overall it ain't broke.. It sure could use some feature updates..:)
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Old October 26th, 2005, 10:25 AM   #5
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My personal guess is that they'll keep making them until sales fall off to a point where it isn't justified. Then it will quietly disappear from their lineup. Rumors are that production has already stopped on the VX-2100 and they are just selling inventory.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 04:53 PM   #6
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PD-190:
- 24p capability
- Native 16:9 chips
- .5lux rating
- Plus 6oz. lighter than the 170





....though this is only my "dream".
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Old October 26th, 2005, 08:50 PM   #7
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PD170 definitely could use a feature update

Oh yes. 16x9 chips and get rid of the outdated, pre-NLE, dedicated buttons. Give us user definded buttons instead.
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Old October 26th, 2005, 10:11 PM   #8
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And a built-in waveform monitor and audio spectral analyzer
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Old October 27th, 2005, 08:48 AM   #9
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Wouldn't that make it just a bit heavy?
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Old October 27th, 2005, 10:00 AM   #10
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It is an extra chip. Everything else is present for those functions.
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Old October 28th, 2005, 09:43 AM   #11
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Whats the 24p mode like in sony's models that support it? In a way I applaud sony for sticking to 50i/60i models, and not trying to push the whole "pretend your video is film!" direction the other brands are going for, but it would be nice to have the option sometimes.

16x9 native is inexecusable mind, especially when cheaper cameras had this when the PD170 was launched.. what were they thinking? It could've easily have convinced a lot of 150 users to upgrade rather than just sit back and think "so.. what is different exactly?"
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Old October 28th, 2005, 01:50 PM   #12
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Which models are you talking about? I don't think any of Sony's prosumer cameras offer real "24p." The Z1 has Cineframe 30, cf25 and cf24. The NTSC FX1 has cf24 and cf30.

Lots has been written about these - search the Z1 forum for "cineframe". Also see the following discussion by Adam Wilt:

http://adamwilt.com/HDV/cineframe.html
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Old October 28th, 2005, 03:15 PM   #13
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Yeah sorry I meant to mention both the pseudo-24P and the (what I believe to be real?) 24p on the high end cams like the XDCAM. Obviously the XD is incomparable to a low end pro camcorder, but i'd be interested in knowing how it looks in comparison to shooting straight 50/60i on the unit.

Cheers for the link, will have a read now.
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Old October 29th, 2005, 12:18 AM   #14
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Everyone thinks of HDV (DVCPRO HD in the HVX) and SD is a divide. Note the Z1 does and the HVX200 will shoot in DV as well as HD.

My personal peeve is low light performance. For that reason the 170 will hang on a bit. Low light performance is one of the areas of improvement in the DVX 100B. When the 1/3" chip HD type cameras can handle low light nearly as well as the 170, the market may fade it to black. I do think that will happen within the next revision or two of the 1/3" HD type cameras though. Just not there yet.
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Old October 31st, 2005, 01:30 PM   #15
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It's not only low light....

I went to B&H yesterday to test a few of their cameras, which are set up around a WELL ILLUMINATED test area. I shot with the Sony Z1 in DVCAM and the Panasonic dvx100A. Based on the footage comparison, I will be ordering a DVX100B as soon as it becomes available (probably any day now). From what I saw, the DVX delivered the better picture, and it's got better audio performance as well. I need a camera SOON and I don't have a single client who's got the slightest interest in HD.
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