Mini DVCAM tapes? at DVinfo.net

Ram Nagarajan · March 21st, 2003, 08:40 AM

Hi all:
Good to be back on the list after a long time!
Finally got to use my new PD150 on shoot, and have some fun learning on it. *WOW!* Great cam!
So far, I've been shooting on Sony Pro series Mini DV tape in DVCAM mode. But a friend of mine mentioned in passing that I could use mini DVCAM tapes - except that I can't seem to locate any Mini DVCAM tapes anywhere at my local suppliers!
Do mini DVCAM tapes really exist? *LOL* If so, can anyone mention some tape stock identifiers so that I can ask Sony for the specific stock? (Also: How much does a mini DVCAM tape cost? Does it come with IC/without IC just like the MiniDv tape?)
Thanks all!
Ram

Mike Rehmus · March 21st, 2003, 11:03 AM

Tape Resources and other suppliers can sell you those $30 mini-DVCAM tapes if you wish. They appear to be a bit more rugged and made of better material.

But they won't give you a better image and for most purposes, are a waste of money unless you are shooting for a network or some other org that might pay attentiion to appearances.

They do come in chip/no-chip versions.

Ram Nagarajan · March 22nd, 2003, 07:47 AM

Mike, thanks:
Found somebody who's willing to supply mini DVCAM tapes, but they're forbiddingly expensive. I think the broad consensus is to simply use Sony Premium miniDV and shoot DVCAM, like you suggested - a lot of the work I'm doing right now is going to be for distribution on VCD/DVD/VHS, and so the image conscious network thing doesn't apply *LOL*!
Best,
Ram

Eivind Vaa · April 2nd, 2003, 11:30 AM

Yeah, I would go with the mini-DV. The only difference as far as I know is tape-speed and build quality.

Todd Moen · April 10th, 2003, 04:42 PM

I was wondering what you all think about TDK brand mini dv tapes? Would you use these as a quality tape when shooting in dv cam? I found these at Costco, an Eight pack for 27.99. These tapes are 60 minutes each.

Mike Rehmus · April 10th, 2003, 05:26 PM

I do not recommend switching tape suppliers. Furthermore, I think the company most likely to make the best tape for a camcorder is the manufacturer of the camcorder.

Tape is cheap. Heads aren't.

Sony mindDV tapes are $3.74 each in 5-packs from one of our sponsors, http://www.pro-tape.com/

Todd Moen · April 10th, 2003, 05:33 PM

Thanks Mike,
I'll check them out!

Garret Ambrosio · April 10th, 2003, 08:07 PM

Now to add something kinda off topic...Is there a difference in the final result in the myriad different types or variants of mini DV, pro grade, etc. I know only 1's and 0's are being recorded, but is there a difference between the "good" stuff vs the cheap stuff? Except maybe for the chip, I don't see how it can make a difference, unless it is not unlike cheap CD-Rs whereas the CD-R media would fall apart after a few months?

Mike Rehmus · April 10th, 2003, 08:42 PM

Not for NLE applications there is not.

Jeff Donald · April 10th, 2003, 08:45 PM

Tape is one of the most discussed topics here. Use the search function and read what many, many members have to say on the subject. There really isn't any generic mini DV tape, but most people stick with either Sony, Panasonic or Fuji. A minority use TDK, Maxell and a variety of other lesser known tapes.

Garret Ambrosio · April 11th, 2003, 11:10 AM

Jeff, I guess what I'm referring to is the different variants of the same brand tape, i.e Sony "Excellence" vs "Premium". Are there any differences between these two types? I guess Mike has answered this question.

Ram Nagarajan · April 12th, 2003, 10:44 PM

Hi again all:
My tape supplier is offering me the PDVM 40 Sony MiniDVCAM tape for use with my PD150 (at about USD 24 per piece - ouch!). Question is: On DVCAM mode, the PD150 records about 2/3rds of miniDV tape time: 40 minutes on a 60 minute tape. But how much tape time do I get in DVCAM mode with a 40 minute miniDVCAM tape? Logic suggests that the mode/tape speed is a camera hardware function, and that I should therefore get about 26-28 minutes on this tape, but I'm not sure. Anyone?
Thanks and best,
Ram

Mike Rehmus · April 13th, 2003, 06:59 PM

DVCam tape is labeled with the expectation that it will be used in a DVCam machine. If used in a DV machine, it would give 60 minutes of recording.

Todd Moen · April 14th, 2003, 06:38 PM

So what Sony MINI DV tape would be the best to use in the PD150 recording in DVCAM?

Mike Rehmus · April 14th, 2003, 11:21 PM

The least expensive will work just fine.

March 21st, 2003, 08:40 AM	#1
Ram Nagarajan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 107	Mini DVCAM tapes? Hi all: Good to be back on the list after a long time! Finally got to use my new PD150 on shoot, and have some fun learning on it. WOW! Great cam! So far, I've been shooting on Sony Pro series Mini DV tape in DVCAM mode. But a friend of mine mentioned in passing that I could use mini DVCAM tapes - except that I can't seem to locate any Mini DVCAM tapes anywhere at my local suppliers! Do mini DVCAM tapes really exist? LOL If so, can anyone mention some tape stock identifiers so that I can ask Sony for the specific stock? (Also: How much does a mini DVCAM tape cost? Does it come with IC/without IC just like the MiniDv tape?) Thanks all! Ram

March 21st, 2003, 11:03 AM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Tape Resources and other suppliers can sell you those $30 mini-DVCAM tapes if you wish. They appear to be a bit more rugged and made of better material. But they won't give you a better image and for most purposes, are a waste of money unless you are shooting for a network or some other org that might pay attentiion to appearances. They do come in chip/no-chip versions. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

April 2nd, 2003, 11:30 AM	#4
Eivind Vaa Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 35	MINI Yeah, I would go with the mini-DV. The only difference as far as I know is tape-speed and build quality.

April 10th, 2003, 04:42 PM	#5
Todd Moen Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bozeman MT Posts: 51	Mini DV Tapes I was wondering what you all think about TDK brand mini dv tapes? Would you use these as a quality tape when shooting in dv cam? I found these at Costco, an Eight pack for 27.99. These tapes are 60 minutes each.

April 10th, 2003, 05:26 PM	#6
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	I do not recommend switching tape suppliers. Furthermore, I think the company most likely to make the best tape for a camcorder is the manufacturer of the camcorder. Tape is cheap. Heads aren't. Sony mindDV tapes are $3.74 each in 5-packs from one of our sponsors, http://www.pro-tape.com/ __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

March 22nd, 2003, 07:47 AM	#3
Ram Nagarajan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 107	Mike, thanks: Found somebody who's willing to supply mini DVCAM tapes, but they're forbiddingly expensive. I think the broad consensus is to simply use Sony Premium miniDV and shoot DVCAM, like you suggested - a lot of the work I'm doing right now is going to be for distribution on VCD/DVD/VHS, and so the image conscious network thing doesn't apply LOL! Best, Ram

April 10th, 2003, 05:33 PM	#7
Todd Moen Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bozeman MT Posts: 51	Tapes Thanks Mike, I'll check them out!

April 10th, 2003, 08:07 PM	#8
Garret Ambrosio Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 263	Now to add something kinda off topic...Is there a difference in the final result in the myriad different types or variants of mini DV, pro grade, etc. I know only 1's and 0's are being recorded, but is there a difference between the "good" stuff vs the cheap stuff? Except maybe for the chip, I don't see how it can make a difference, unless it is not unlike cheap CD-Rs whereas the CD-R media would fall apart after a few months? __________________ "USA Today has come out with a new survey - apparently, three out of every four people make up 75% of the population." -David Letterman

April 10th, 2003, 08:42 PM	#9
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Not for NLE applications there is not. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

April 10th, 2003, 08:45 PM	#10
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Tape is one of the most discussed topics here. Use the search function and read what many, many members have to say on the subject. There really isn't any generic mini DV tape, but most people stick with either Sony, Panasonic or Fuji. A minority use TDK, Maxell and a variety of other lesser known tapes. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 11th, 2003, 11:10 AM	#11
Garret Ambrosio Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vallejo, CA Posts: 263	Jeff, I guess what I'm referring to is the different variants of the same brand tape, i.e Sony "Excellence" vs "Premium". Are there any differences between these two types? I guess Mike has answered this question. __________________ "USA Today has come out with a new survey - apparently, three out of every four people make up 75% of the population." -David Letterman

April 12th, 2003, 10:44 PM	#12
Ram Nagarajan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 107	Hi again all: My tape supplier is offering me the PDVM 40 Sony MiniDVCAM tape for use with my PD150 (at about USD 24 per piece - ouch!). Question is: On DVCAM mode, the PD150 records about 2/3rds of miniDV tape time: 40 minutes on a 60 minute tape. But how much tape time do I get in DVCAM mode with a 40 minute miniDVCAM tape? Logic suggests that the mode/tape speed is a camera hardware function, and that I should therefore get about 26-28 minutes on this tape, but I'm not sure. Anyone? Thanks and best, Ram

April 13th, 2003, 06:59 PM	#13
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	DVCam tape is labeled with the expectation that it will be used in a DVCam machine. If used in a DV machine, it would give 60 minutes of recording. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

April 14th, 2003, 06:38 PM	#14
Todd Moen Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bozeman MT Posts: 51	So what Sony MINI DV tape would be the best to use in the PD150 recording in DVCAM?

April 14th, 2003, 11:21 PM	#15
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	The least expensive will work just fine. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!