Matching PD170 & VX2100 to other cameras at DVinfo.net

Lou Bruno · June 7th, 2002, 09:25 PM

Matching to JVC DV500 or DV300:

Go into CP Custom Pre-set located under the handle.

Move the sharpness to about 75%

Lower the COLOR SATURATION two clicks to the left.

Move the WB shift one or two clicks to the left. You will be introducing a little green to the picture.

USE A MONITOR FOR ABOVE STEP!!!

AE-ONE click to the left. ONLY one click.

MAIN MENU-shut AUTO SHUTTER to OFF

The Color should match the JVC colorometry.

Lou Bruno

Chris Hurd · June 7th, 2002, 10:46 PM

Outstanding tip. Thanks as usual Lou.

Federico Dib · July 29th, 2003, 11:53 AM

Hi
In a few weeks we would be shooting a short movie...
The short is going to be shot mainly with a Sony Pd-150 but the director wants to to shoot the fight scenes (it has some) with two cameras...
the other camera being my canon XM2..

Any suggestions? Experiences? trying to match colors?.. anything else that I should be aware of?

(this post is also on the Gl-2 forum... I didn´t know where to put it??)

Mike Rehmus · July 29th, 2003, 02:14 PM

You can adjust the 150, not certain about the Canon. So make the 150 match the Canon. You may want to do it for the entire shoot just so the difference is glaring when you get to the fight scenes in the finished piece.

Or you could adjust the Canon to fit the 150 in post.

Kevin Lee · May 15th, 2004, 09:06 AM

Hi...
Putting together a short flick using 2 cams shortly.
Intending to use the Sony pd150 with century 16:9 lens and the Sony DSR 570 WS.

Quick question...
Are the 2 cameras easily matched as A/B?

Thanks

Mike Rehmus · May 15th, 2004, 09:23 AM

Yes and no.

The pictures are quite similar but the 570 has better image processing and you will find the 570 handles extreme contrast better than the 150, is a bit sharper, and true 16:9 mode is better than an anamorphic setup.

Record your audio to the 570 as it has a substantially quieter audio chain.

Kevin Lee · May 15th, 2004, 09:28 AM

Thanks.

I'm intending to have the 570 on the wide end with the pd150 more on Close Ups. Yes?

Mike Rehmus · May 15th, 2004, 10:06 AM

That's certainly how I run my 150 & 300. You will find the 570 handles faster than the 150 by a significant amount. So if you have a lot of action or lighting changes in close-up, you may forgo the 150 in favor of the 570 and shoot Hollywood style.

Kevin Lee · May 16th, 2004, 06:05 AM

Thanks a lot for your help, Mike.

Deniz Turkmen · June 16th, 2004, 11:50 PM

I recently bought a dvx100a with the intention of independent filmmaking. However, I now also want to get into event videography, so I plan on purchasing a pd-170.

If I were to use the dvx as a second camera during a wedding ceremony, how well would the footage match up to the pd-170?

Craig Seeman · June 17th, 2004, 12:01 AM

I cringe because, as an editor because I've had to try to do this. Certainly one can match colors but the cine gama settings can be a killer.

Best bet is when you shoot, make sure gamma is "standard" video gamma on the 100A. Shoot 60i of course too.

You'll also find the PD170 handles low light with less noise than the DVX100A. This becomes obvious when shooting dark receptions, bands in dark clubs, docs in dark places where you can't use lights. Not sure if you want to add noise to a 170 though to match the noise in the 100A.

Deniz Turkmen · June 17th, 2004, 12:06 AM

I'll probably only use the dvx during the ceremony since there's usually more light than the reception (at least at the wedding I've been too).

Craig Seeman · June 17th, 2004, 07:17 AM

If people ask for two camera weddings, It's usually during the ceremony that matching two cameras would be most critical. It can be done but you really have to watch the settings, gamma in particular.

Chris Harvey · December 17th, 2004, 12:38 AM

I am looking to upgrade my two vx2000 cameras but I can only afford to do this one camera at a time. Ultimately I would like a vx2100 and pd170. My first step is to get the vx2100. Will there be any trouble matching the image of the vx2100 with the vx2000? I use my cameras for wedding videography. I only use one camera for the reception (that will be the vx2100) but I need to match the two cameras for the ceremony coverage.

Thanks for your help.

Chris

Rick Barry · December 17th, 2004, 04:51 PM

I can understand you wanting to upgrade to a PD 170, but why bother spending good money on a 2100 when you already have a 2000? The differences between the 2000 and 2100 are marginal, and in my opinion not worth the expense. Why not sell one 2000 and get a PD170 now, and then decide whether to replace the 2nd 2000 with another PD170 at a later date.

June 7th, 2002, 09:25 PM	#1
Lou Bruno Go Cycle Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 815	Matching PD170 & VX2100 to other cameras Matching to JVC DV500 or DV300: Go into CP Custom Pre-set located under the handle. Move the sharpness to about 75% Lower the COLOR SATURATION two clicks to the left. Move the WB shift one or two clicks to the left. You will be introducing a little green to the picture. USE A MONITOR FOR ABOVE STEP!!! AE-ONE click to the left. ONLY one click. MAIN MENU-shut AUTO SHUTTER to OFF The Color should match the JVC colorometry. Lou Bruno __________________ Lou Bruno

June 7th, 2002, 10:46 PM	#2
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Outstanding tip. Thanks as usual Lou. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 29th, 2003, 11:53 AM	#3
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	Matching Pd-150 image with Canon XM2 (or viceversa) Hi In a few weeks we would be shooting a short movie... The short is going to be shot mainly with a Sony Pd-150 but the director wants to to shoot the fight scenes (it has some) with two cameras... the other camera being my canon XM2.. Any suggestions? Experiences? trying to match colors?.. anything else that I should be aware of? (this post is also on the Gl-2 forum... I didn´t know where to put it??)

July 29th, 2003, 02:14 PM	#4
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	You can adjust the 150, not certain about the Canon. So make the 150 match the Canon. You may want to do it for the entire shoot just so the difference is glaring when you get to the fight scenes in the finished piece. Or you could adjust the Canon to fit the 150 in post. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

May 15th, 2004, 09:06 AM	#5
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	Matching pd150 and 570 Hi... Putting together a short flick using 2 cams shortly. Intending to use the Sony pd150 with century 16:9 lens and the Sony DSR 570 WS. Quick question... Are the 2 cameras easily matched as A/B? Thanks

May 15th, 2004, 09:23 AM	#6
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Yes and no. The pictures are quite similar but the 570 has better image processing and you will find the 570 handles extreme contrast better than the 150, is a bit sharper, and true 16:9 mode is better than an anamorphic setup. Record your audio to the 570 as it has a substantially quieter audio chain. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

May 15th, 2004, 09:28 AM	#7
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	Thanks. I'm intending to have the 570 on the wide end with the pd150 more on Close Ups. Yes?

May 15th, 2004, 10:06 AM	#8
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	That's certainly how I run my 150 & 300. You will find the 570 handles faster than the 150 by a significant amount. So if you have a lot of action or lighting changes in close-up, you may forgo the 150 in favor of the 570 and shoot Hollywood style. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

May 16th, 2004, 06:05 AM	#9
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	Thanks a lot for your help, Mike.

June 16th, 2004, 11:50 PM	#10
Deniz Turkmen Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CA Posts: 166	matching pd170 to a dvx100a I recently bought a dvx100a with the intention of independent filmmaking. However, I now also want to get into event videography, so I plan on purchasing a pd-170. If I were to use the dvx as a second camera during a wedding ceremony, how well would the footage match up to the pd-170?

June 17th, 2004, 12:01 AM	#11
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	I cringe because, as an editor because I've had to try to do this. Certainly one can match colors but the cine gama settings can be a killer. Best bet is when you shoot, make sure gamma is "standard" video gamma on the 100A. Shoot 60i of course too. You'll also find the PD170 handles low light with less noise than the DVX100A. This becomes obvious when shooting dark receptions, bands in dark clubs, docs in dark places where you can't use lights. Not sure if you want to add noise to a 170 though to match the noise in the 100A.

June 17th, 2004, 12:06 AM	#12
Deniz Turkmen Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CA Posts: 166	I'll probably only use the dvx during the ceremony since there's usually more light than the reception (at least at the wedding I've been too).

June 17th, 2004, 07:17 AM	#13
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	If people ask for two camera weddings, It's usually during the ceremony that matching two cameras would be most critical. It can be done but you really have to watch the settings, gamma in particular.

December 17th, 2004, 12:38 AM	#14
Chris Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: North Dakota Posts: 72	matching vx2000 and vx2100 I am looking to upgrade my two vx2000 cameras but I can only afford to do this one camera at a time. Ultimately I would like a vx2100 and pd170. My first step is to get the vx2100. Will there be any trouble matching the image of the vx2100 with the vx2000? I use my cameras for wedding videography. I only use one camera for the reception (that will be the vx2100) but I need to match the two cameras for the ceremony coverage. Thanks for your help. Chris

December 17th, 2004, 04:51 PM	#15
Rick Barry New Boot Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cheshire, U.K. Posts: 7	I can understand you wanting to upgrade to a PD 170, but why bother spending good money on a 2100 when you already have a 2000? The differences between the 2000 and 2100 are marginal, and in my opinion not worth the expense. Why not sell one 2000 and get a PD170 now, and then decide whether to replace the 2nd 2000 with another PD170 at a later date.