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Old January 8th, 2008, 08:58 AM   #16
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Thanks Jim, I was wondering the same thing as Carrol.

I see the film setting is not using the cine gamma curves.
How does it hold up for latitude, compared to selecting the cine curves?
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:23 AM   #17
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I've been searching/asking for this in vain: how do the 4 cine gamma curves (depicted in the pdf brochure) compare to the 4 std ones?

Anyone?
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:37 AM   #18
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It's in the manual, page 74.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:46 AM   #19
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I mean graphical comparison, Steven - not a description ("a picture is worth more than 1000 words", and in this case - 100k :))
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Old January 8th, 2008, 10:01 AM   #20
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You can download the manual. It's online.
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?...8&postcount=11
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Old January 8th, 2008, 10:21 AM   #21
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I downloaded the manual on the first day of its availability on the Internet, Steven - no gamma curve pictures there, as you know. Only description.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 10:31 AM   #22
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I set up the 4 PP on this forum plus one I am testing trying to match (Canon A1 Vivid) and took a quick check. Wow the TV Curve has saturated/vivid colors. Now off for a test shoot more later.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 10:45 AM   #23
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I saw the pictures on this forum somewhere.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 05:29 PM   #24
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Went out today and shot for a few hours on a hazy warm winter day. There were not a lot of colors. Running late so I can post grabs or clips tomorrow if anyone is interested.

I tested 5 PP settings at two locations a few times at each place. All shots were locked on tripod, full manual, keeping iris between 2.8-4.8, some had ND1, some ND2. Zoom was 100% on some, 50% on others, and full wide on the last third.

See attached for settings:

I found PP1-2 very pleasing crisp and clear with nice colors and realistic blacks.

PP3 looked nice but I will have to spend some time tomorrow to see how the Black Gamma +25 looked in the shadow details.

PP4 had loads of noise and was washed out with a purple/green tint. It was also 2 stops brighter.

PP5 also had noise but not as much as PP4. This is oversaturated with a blue/red tint and only one stop brighter then 1-3.

More tomorrow family calls.

Added today the Picture Profile frame grabs. All three are full wide and have not been touched in post.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #25
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Well for some reason PP4 will not upload so I will get another frame grab and try again. I keep timing out for a 2 MB .png that is 1920 x 1080. I will try a few more times. UPLOAD FAILED four times not sure why so I will come back later when I have more time. PP4 is worth a look since I was surprised at how this image looked.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 09:50 AM   #26
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Good work Paul, it'll be great to see these getting the attention the XH-A1 versions got.

In the samples you uploaded I liked 2 the best, and in fact is the same as the settings I've been using. 3 looks more HVX like to me (or at least heading in that direction) and 5 loses way too much detail for my liking, I'd prefer to leave that kind of contrast for post.

Nice one!
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Old January 9th, 2008, 09:52 AM   #27
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Never mind, I see the file names (I've been healed!)

So Paul

In the screen grabs above you have

PP1 PP2
PP3 PP5

with 4 still to come?

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Old January 9th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #28
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Thanks Paul I also like PP2 the best so far but will keep playing. Rain all day today so no shooting. Also I can not seem to get PP4 to upload but will try again in a little while.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 10:05 AM   #29
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The problem tho', with detail cranked up in the camera you get an artificial "edge" sharpening that tends to be hard to key. Start doing Hi Contrast 3 pass keying and you run into problems.

A low detail setting allows you to key easier and if not keying you can apply an unsharp effect to bring that little bit of detail back.

For what its worth.

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Old January 9th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #30
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Jim are you referring to the +5 level I used on my Detail Level setting? If so I agree it would cause problems keying but it is worth looking at while I am experimenting.
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