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Old July 7th, 2010, 01:14 PM   #571
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Since posting the above note and Excel chart yesterday I've tested out most of the pp settings, and I've come up with a subset that I think will work for me. I'll post it below.

Here's my strategy: I want to cover as many bases as possible, so I've got —

PP1: (Doug Jenson's) for all-round EXTERIOR/INTERIOR shooting
PP2: (A. Shipsides) a Hi-Sat look that seems to me to work really nicely for EXT. shooting on bright, sunny days
PP3: not selected yet
PP4: (A. Shipsides) for FLOURESCENT lighting
PP5: not selected yet
PP6: (Oliver Neubert) for STAGE, high contrast (spotlights, dark curtains, etc.)

Any comments or observations?
Any suggestions for PP3 and PP5?

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Old July 7th, 2010, 02:21 PM   #572
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Thank you so much for creating the spreadsheet!! Probably like so many others on this list, I've been meaning to do the same, but didn't get a chance.

The thought also occured to me that your spreadsheet is also the perfect place for me to write down my own PP in case it got deleted! (duh)

For the most part, I don't tend to change the PPs. It's a matter of opinion, and for the style/type of work you are doing. For me, a lot of my work is outdoors, and it is the following (and my personal comments towards each):

PP1: Doug Jensen's - General purpose, conservative and a bit flat, for color grading
PP2: My Own (below) - Cross between Doug and Shipman's HD Norm with more contrast and saturation
PP3: Super Sat (my own) - Same as PP2 with even more saturation for that Panasonic over-sat look (things really pop)
PP4: Alister Chapman's - Great for sky, landscape
PP5: Phil Bloom's - More filmic
PP6: Shipman's "HD Norm" - Higher contrast

Matrix: On, Hi Sat, Level 4, Phase 2, R-G -3. R-B -3, all else 0
Color Correction: Off
While Offset: Off, Preset at 5600
Detail: On, Level -10, all others default
Skin Tone: Off
Knee On, Auto Off, Point 85, Slope 1, Knee Sat Level 50
Gamma Level: 0, STD4, Black -2, Black Gamma 02, Low Key SAT default

I hope my PP is within 'broadcast safe', whatever that means these days. Obviously, things like the Tiffen T1 and a polarizer effect things as well.
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Old July 19th, 2010, 09:52 AM   #573
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Matching with a Canon XL-H1

has anyone tried matching an EX1 with a Canon XL-H1? i'm gonna do some testing of my own Wednesday evening, but I wanted to get a head start on any tips you might have.

thanks in advance!!

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Old July 20th, 2010, 06:33 AM   #574
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Thank you so much for creating the spreadsheet!! Probably like so many others on this list, I've been meaning to do the same, but didn't get a chance.

The thought also occured to me that your spreadsheet is also the perfect place for me to write down my own PP in case it got deleted! (duh)

For the most part, I don't tend to change the PPs. It's a matter of opinion, and for the style/type of work you are doing. For me, a lot of my work is outdoors, and it is the following (and my personal comments towards each):

PP1: Doug Jensen's - General purpose, conservative and a bit flat, for color grading
PP2: My Own (below) - Cross between Doug and Shipman's HD Norm with more contrast and saturation
PP3: Super Sat (my own) - Same as PP2 with even more saturation for that Panasonic over-sat look (things really pop)
PP4: Alister Chapman's - Great for sky, landscape
PP5: Phil Bloom's - More filmic
PP6: Shipman's "HD Norm" - Higher contrast

Matrix: On, Hi Sat, Level 4, Phase 2, R-G -3. R-B -3, all else 0
Color Correction: Off
While Offset: Off, Preset at 5600
Detail: On, Level -10, all others default
Skin Tone: Off
Knee On, Auto Off, Point 85, Slope 1, Knee Sat Level 50
Gamma Level: 0, STD4, Black -2, Black Gamma 02, Low Key SAT default

I hope my PP is within 'broadcast safe', whatever that means these days. Obviously, things like the Tiffen T1 and a polarizer effect things as well.
Where is your spreadsheet????
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Old July 20th, 2010, 07:31 AM   #575
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Fred,
I think Ed was referring to a spreadsheet I posted a link to (see attached file below); what Ed did is add a couple of his picture profiles directly to his post (I found them very interesting and intend to try them out).
Regards, Malcolm
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Old August 8th, 2010, 05:30 PM   #576
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Sorry if I have missed them, but seems that most the profiles are for outside, or well lit venues.

Anyone want to share something good for dark churches, wedding receptions and stage shows.
I do a lot of video work that really pushes the gain.

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Old August 11th, 2010, 03:32 PM   #577
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Has any one been using wolgangs -3db pp? If so what are you results with it.

Thanks in advance
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 01:16 PM   #578
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What preset would you guys use for available light night street scenes?
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:19 AM   #579
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Would you Cine1 or Cine3?

Would you apply gain or use Black/Black Gamma?
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 12:09 PM   #580
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Question

Hey guys, is there any way to convert these profiles to work with the HXR-NX5?
There is little to no information on picture profiles for the NX5.

Thanks guys.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 12:43 PM   #581
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This is my EX1 setting to match my VariCam It is designed for post color correction to be shown on HD broadcast . This is for a scripted comedy. The camera was teched to a DSC chart with whites at 80 IRE and all settings on as was the VariCam. So this is how the is set up when I shoot. It seems whites expose at 78 IRE for good flesh tones.

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MATRIX…..On
Select……….HiSat
Level………..-26
Phase………..3
R-G…………95
R-B………….43
G-R………….31
G-B…………47
B-R…………..5
B-G………….82
COLOR CORRECTION
Setting………..Off
WHITE……….Off
Offset…………Auto White Balance
PRESET WHITE……6200
DETAIL…..On
Level…..-5
Frequency…..30
CRISPENING…..-45
H/V RATIO…..0
WHITE LIMITER…..75
BLACK LIMITER…..75
V DTL CREATION…..y
KNEE APT LEVEL…..0
SKINTONE DETAIL…..off
KNEE
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Point
Slope
Knee SAT level
GAMMA Level…..2
Select…..CINE1
BLACK…..-3
BLACK GAMMA…..0
LOW KEY SAT……0
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Old November 18th, 2010, 06:41 PM   #582
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Would there be any way to take these profiles from this forum and use the settings in an Sony HXR-NX5?

There is very little information available for picture profiles on this camera, and there is so much here.

Thanks guys.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #583
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It's not the numbers

The numbers are pretty much arbitrary. The DSC chart doesn't lie. That is why I have included the waveform and vector scope. You can match a look by matching to frame grabs from a Waveform Vector scope. The downside is you need a waveform/vector scope. You need the cameras to be set up similarly. You are supposed to match VariCams in Video Rec, whites at 100 IRE. So you kind of need to know this info. This is why right or wrong I match my cameras on the mode I will shoot them in.
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Old February 23rd, 2011, 08:52 AM   #584
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Re: Picture Profile Recipes

John,

I have the NX5 and I would think you could use these PP settings as a starting point to acheive a certain look, then adjust. I think with the NX5 having smaller sensors etc the outcome would be different with the exact same settings mentioned in this thread.

PP is something I have not experimented with yet as most of what I have shot has not called for it but I do plan on attempting to get as close to the DSLR look of rich colors and crushed blacks as possible. I wish there was a more layman terms book/DVD out there that explained the Picture Profile settings and what adjustments can result in. I know the manual breaks each setting down but if I recall I was pretty lost, I will revisit that as well.

If anyone knows of some good references via literature or video on this subject, please post.
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Old February 23rd, 2011, 09:37 AM   #585
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Re: Picture Profile Recipes

Dave,

Make a note of the default settings and then apply -100% and +100%, you should soon see what each effect produces. Most books skirt about too much, the best way to learn is to do practical tests of your own.
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