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Old January 26th, 2008, 07:43 PM   #76
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What do you guys think of Doug jensesns settings as recommened in his training video. They are:

Matrix ON -High Sat, Level 3, Phase and r-g=0
Gamma CINE4
Black -3
Black Gamma -2
Low Key SAT = 0
Detail OFF
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Old January 26th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #77
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Michael, You only mentioned the first three matrix settings (Level 3, Phase and r-g=0). What were the rest of them?
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Old January 26th, 2008, 09:53 PM   #78
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1960x1080x30p -3db gain. Other items not mentioned were off or default
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Old January 27th, 2008, 09:09 AM   #79
 
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Framegrabs

OK...

Here's a comparison of the EX1 factory settings and my DSC derived Profile, henceforth called TrueColor1.

TrueColor1 profile:
http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=802&c=2

Factory Settings(PP off)
http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=801&c=2

I've saved the PP recipe to my SxS card and copied it to my hard drive. The file format is ASCII, so, it's easy to copy onto your own profile file and loaded into your camera.
Here's the recipe:
TC1
0000001
0000001
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00007b8
000607b
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000e8d8
000e26a
000d58c
0000e27
0000000
0000000
000337f
0001c72
0007fff
000c0f7
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000000
00015e0
0000001
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000003
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000000
0000000
000a38e
0001c72
0000001
0000001
000d111
0000000
0004052
0000000
0000002
000ecb4
000f46c
0000000
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Old January 27th, 2008, 09:52 AM   #80
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Would it not be easier for us to just post the actual picture profile "file" itself and execute it as a file instead of individual adjustments? Then we could have a useful list with the actual PP files like on the XH A1 profile thread?

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Old January 27th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #81
 
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Mike...

I tried to post the .suf file, but, the DVINFO server wouldn't accept a non-image format. If there was a place on DVINFO.net to post it, I most certainly would have. Perhaps Chris can set something up.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 10:24 AM   #82
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Bill I shot with your setting and it looked very nice. Yes a little too much red but hard to tell until I get some full sun. Amazing how well peaking works with this setting.

Attached are 6 PP's I have been testing now with Billís added. I have been used Steve Thomas setting with great results on two jobs.

Thank you to every one with the technical skills to properly help set up PP settings.

Attached is a excel file with the 6 settings.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 10:43 AM   #83
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Hi Bill, what if you changed the file extension (.jpg, jpeg etc.)and then we could just rename the extension to .suf? Or will it zip maybe?

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Old January 27th, 2008, 11:29 AM   #84
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Do the blacks seem overly crushed with Bill's settings. I would think you'd want to record a little more latitude and adjust contrast in post. But that's just me. It definitely fixes some of the green cast issues that I was seeing.

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Old January 27th, 2008, 11:30 AM   #85
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Michael it would be nice to just up load off the S&S card the profile but it does not work like the A1. When you upload on the EX1 it changes all camera setting to that saved profile not just Picture Profile. Be careful if you do this and have set up a clip naming sequence since this will change and you could have duplicate clips with the same name. I find it better to just enter the setting one at a time it goes fast with the joy stick.

If someone finds a quicker way I am all ears.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #86
 
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I don't think you mean latitude. You really mean "headroom"? This setup is designed to maximize latitude, minimize headroom. Proper exposure becomes critical. Use zebra to set exposure, not auto.
I agree with you. Blacks may appear slightly crushed. Be sure you're viewing the images with a calibrated monitor, since I've pushed the blacks all the way to 0 IRE. If this bothers you, you can back off of the BLACK setting 1-3 steps, or to your taste. OTOH, if you edit in Vegas, you can recover about 5% on either end, clipped or crushed, with the Levels FX and 32-bit processing. Keep in mind that I set things up for 0 RGB-255 RGB(computer RGB) with no pedestal. If this is headed for NTSC broadcast, at a minimum, one would need to convert to studio RGB (RGB16-RGB235)

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Old January 27th, 2008, 11:00 PM   #87
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Bill I shot with your setting and it looked very nice. Yes a little too much red but hard to tell until I get some full sun. Amazing how well peaking works with this setting.
Agreed. I really like the look of this setting. But from what I shot inside my house tonight, it's a little to red. I'd be nice to get that tweaked a little.

Thanks for your work on that Bill.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 11:20 PM   #88
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I tried to post the .suf file, but, the DVINFO server wouldn't accept a non-image format.
Try it now -- I've added the .suf extension as a valid file format for uploading to the forum.
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Old January 28th, 2008, 12:39 AM   #89
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Just for comparison sake I took a little video of my family room with Bill's settings.
The 1st picture is just the stock settings while the 2nd picture is Bill's.
This is at night and I had the cameras gain set to 9db.

1 - http://homepage.mac.com/justin.carls...m-sample-1.jpg

2 - http://homepage.mac.com/justin.carls...m-sample-2.jpg


In the stock settings it looks like it blows out the highlights a little more and exposes more of the blacks.
While in Bills settings it's reversed. Other than having the reds a 'little' too red for my taste, I'm very happy with the overall richness of the colors!
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Old January 28th, 2008, 08:31 AM   #90
 
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thanx, Chris.
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