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Old January 17th, 2008, 04:20 AM   #1
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EX1/Redrock M2 short film now online

Brian Valente from Redrock and I recently teamed up to make a short film to demo the Sony EX1 and his M2 35mm adaptor. It was an interesting project in that I worked somewhat backwards, writing a script around the layout of the stage that Brian had secured (he sent me pictures of the two existing sets on the stage and I picked one of them) as well as including certain elements that would show off the capabilities of the EX such as the 60 fps mode.

It was a short but intensive day; 3 hours of setup and 8 hours of shooting to capture some 23 setups, every one of which made in the final film. Brian did a great job of coordinating everything from the great food to making emergency pickups (viewing monitor was DOA), Mole Richardson provided their teaching stage and crew to us (finally--enough grips and electrics to get the job done right), Luis Sinabldi brought along the Carrion, his great onboard monitor; and I more than had my hands full pulling together the script, casting and shooting and directing duties.

The edit was something else; it didn't take long to assemble picture, but due to some location sound issues as well as a cast member with a heavy cold, I ended up doing a vast amount of painstaking ADR and foley.

Oh and--complete credits will be added shortly, this version is for a Sony presentation at Sundance.

Enough of the back story--here's the film.

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Old January 17th, 2008, 07:40 AM   #2
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Awsome short, always enjoy your work. It seems that Cinevate has been having some issues with there adapter working with the EX1, no issues with the M2? Just received my EX1 2 days ago, so just putting it through the paces.

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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:29 AM   #3
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Can't see the video

Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm having trouble seeing the quicktime video. It says a file is missing for QT playback, and it is not available on the quicktime website. I get this error message alot. Any suggestions?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #4
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Thanks for sharing.

The look is very nice.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 10:13 AM   #5
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Nice work Charles. Also, it looks like the combo works fine. Did you have any issues with this adapter combo?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #6
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Nice work Charles. Funny story, good camerawork (love the dollyshots), a good set-up (it never became confusing at the table, which isn't easy, considering there are 4 to 5 persons, and all different axes to take in account), nice visuals, compliment to your actors also.

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Old January 18th, 2008, 12:05 PM   #7
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First of all, the story was too funny, I was rolling on the floor since the boy appeared, so I had to watch it another time to appreciate the technical work.

Mathieu has said everything I want to say: the set-up is very well done, the actors are good, the camera work is just fantastic, as well as the editing.

In the first shot, when the focus is constantly changing from one character to another, what have you used to see and adjust the focus point? A follow-focus knob, a big external monitor, or just the camera's LCD screen and the prime's focusing ring?
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Old January 18th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #8
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Lisa Darr! She was awesome in a short-lived but wickedly cool Fox show from the late 90s called Profit. She and Adrian Pasdar (now on Heroes) were terrific together. I always wondered what happened to her...
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Old January 18th, 2008, 03:49 PM   #9
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Fantastic piece. Love the setup and the cinematography.

Does anyone know of a side-by-side comparison of the EX1 utilizing the native lens vs. something like the M2 with a decent 35mm lens? I understand you get closer to that elusive "film" look, but is there anything more than DOF effected?
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Old January 18th, 2008, 04:08 PM   #10
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I've never tested it, but it seems that there's a film-like, very subtle halation in the footage I've seen.

The groundglass in the 35 adapters does to some extent what film does (but which Kodak has worked very hard to minimize) and overlays a soft glow on the highlights that complements the hard edges.

At least that's how it appears to my eyes.

On strong highlights this is not an effect easily achieved in post, because when speculars are clipped, the information needed to create this halation has been flattened out - it really needs to be "superwhite" to give the correct halation.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #11
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Does anyone know of a side-by-side comparison of the EX1 utilizing the native lens vs. something like the M2 with a decent 35mm lens? I understand you get closer to that elusive "film" look, but is there anything more than DOF effected?
Phil Bloom's blog should have a piece called Piccadilly Furs (?) he used the letus and the stock lens. somewhere there's a reference to what's what. That i do not remember.

i do have the Letus and M2 and EX1. I can say that there is something aside form the DOF that feels different with the adapter. Party what Eric alluded to and partly a softer edge on the images. The letus adapter is being repaired right now, but i will try and do a side by side thing when it returns.

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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #12
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Eric:

I did use a post filter for diffusion which really helped with the gal's look. It was pointed out to me on another board that the glow is a little disconcerting on the son's skin (somewhat "ghost-like"), which is something I hadn't thought about but the nice thing about it being a post filter is that I can dial it up and down as needed. I'm away from my project file this week so I can't tell you offhand which filter I used--might have been Nattress--but it worked out beautifully. The image with the M2 was actually very crisp and halation-free, but I wanted to soften it a bit as I lit it fairly contrasty so as not to look like a sitcom, so this was a good compromise.

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Your signature is quite apropos as we did go wireless for the focus technology! Because the Zeiss still lenses we used had limited markings for focus scale and a fairly short throw, I suggested to the AC that we use my Preston which would solve both issues (he could mark the disc out for each lens and use the full throw of the Preston knob). He started the shoot pulling at the camera and checking occasionally in the onboard monitor and ended up over at the large monitor. I have been finding that longtime AC's who are used to 35mm pulling are slow to embrace the use of the monitor but they are all finding ways to incorporate it into their process to double-check their work.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #13
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Charles,

I actually wasn't referring to your footage, (which I admit I have not looked at yet) but to all footage I've seen with the groundglass based adapters. The halation is *very* subtle and does not call itself out, but it definitely affects, and in my opinion usually improves, the look.

I was responding to Jon who inquired about what, besides DoF, these adapters might be doing to create a film look.

Vince,

I'd love to see a side by side to confirm this. Real photography (with some strong speculars or light sources) as well as a chart with predominantly white areas and black areas.
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my letus is in transit back here. i'll do it as soon as i get it back.

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