Adam Wilt on the EX1

Paul Dhadialla · February 3rd, 2008, 10:41 AM

Rob, can you clarify something

The intesity doesn't handle 1080 30P (progressive) footage or does it?
The documents say it doesn't. It does to 720 30P - is that what you are talking about?

So how are you outputting the video - through your NLE?
So what is the signal output as 1080 -60i ?

Thanks!
Paul

Andrew Wilson · February 3rd, 2008, 11:55 AM

The e-mail I got from black magic was very evasive about what I might or might not see coming out of the HDMI port on the Intensity Pro.

so... Rob could you also please clarify what not only are you shooinng 1080p in HQ but what your frame rate and size is of your master sequence.

I assume you're using FCP since you mention FCP's cinema desktop.

Are you using the Intensity Pro and also monitoring Standard Def?

Rob Collins · February 3rd, 2008, 05:10 PM

I have the Intensity Pro card. It sends out 1080/60i via HDMI to my monitor.

I'm shooting 1080 24p and 30p, editing in FCP. With external video set to the card, it plays back all my footage perfectly, whether my sequence is set to EX native or the one Blackmagic provides (or any other I've tried). I read in another thread (before buying the card) that it does the pull down in real time--I assume that's what's happening. I've also sent HV20 HDV24p video through it with no problem.

At the moment I'm not also monitoring SD, though I think the card will let me do that via component or s-video. I like the audio from the card too--just RCA's, but with 1/4" adapters feeds my little M-Audio monitors nicely (can also send system sound to them).

In case it matters, I have one of the new Mac Pros, 2 x 2.8 quad with 8g ram. For a video monitor I'm using the BenQ G2400W.

Nick Wilson · February 4th, 2008, 05:22 AM

Is Adam right that the camera does not have a component video output? The manual (p109) says that there is selectable HD/downconverted component output, and a cable is supplied. Anyone with a camera care to confirm?

Nick

Graeme Fullick · February 4th, 2008, 05:23 AM

Nick,

Camera has a component out and a cable just like it says in the manual.

Paul Dhadialla · February 4th, 2008, 07:01 AM

Nick, he does say it has component:

Quote:
"The EX1 uses the same micro-D-shell connector used by most Sony HDV cameras for analog component outputs"

Secondly,
I have the cam and can confirm it does have component out and it works perfectly - used it serveral times

Paul

Craig Seeman · February 4th, 2008, 08:32 AM

I think when Adam Wilt refers to Y/C he means S-Video output. There is no S-Video output.

Andrew Wilson · February 4th, 2008, 08:36 AM

So it seems that the Intensity Pro card will work as a way to monitor via HDMI but you're not really monitoring 1080p. You say it's doing the pulldown in realtime, but I've always referred to pulldown as how 24 frame material is converted to NTSC and vice-versa.

What you mean (and maybe pulldown is the correct term) is that the Intensity Pro card converts from Progressive to Interlaced in real time.

It looks like if I want to monitor true 1080p then I need the Kona LH and a 1080p monitor and do it using component.

Paul Dhadialla · February 4th, 2008, 09:02 AM

Andrew you can also preview off the timeline through your video card to a computer monitor that is 1920x1080 over DVI.

That is 1080P right there

Paul

Alexander Ibrahim · February 6th, 2008, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson

It looks like if I want to monitor true 1080p then I need the Kona LH and a 1080p monitor and do it using component.

AJA ioHD outputs using HDMI at 1080p, and its suitable as a mobile ingest and monitoring solution.

It has a huge pile of other i/o though (including SDI), and its $3495 pricetag might scare a bunch of folk off. It is certainly a different price class from the Intensity.

Of course then I found the utility of outputting HD-SDI from the camera and monitoring on a 1080p projector. I used that combo with one of Sony's SXRD SDI projectors, but I'm pretty excited about trying it with one of the new HDMI SXRD consumer projectors.

February 4th, 2008, 05:22 AM	#19
Nick Wilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northampton, UK Posts: 259	Component (Y/C) Out Is Adam right that the camera does not have a component video output? The manual (p109) says that there is selectable HD/downconverted component output, and a cable is supplied. Anyone with a camera care to confirm? Nick

February 4th, 2008, 05:23 AM	#20
Graeme Fullick Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 337	Nick, Camera has a component out and a cable just like it says in the manual. __________________ Graeme

February 3rd, 2008, 10:41 AM	#16
Paul Dhadialla Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 143	Rob, can you clarify something The intesity doesn't handle 1080 30P (progressive) footage or does it? The documents say it doesn't. It does to 720 30P - is that what you are talking about? So how are you outputting the video - through your NLE? So what is the signal output as 1080 -60i ? Thanks! Paul

February 3rd, 2008, 11:55 AM	#17
Andrew Wilson Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 123	The e-mail I got from black magic was very evasive about what I might or might not see coming out of the HDMI port on the Intensity Pro. so... Rob could you also please clarify what not only are you shooinng 1080p in HQ but what your frame rate and size is of your master sequence. I assume you're using FCP since you mention FCP's cinema desktop. Are you using the Intensity Pro and also monitoring Standard Def?

February 3rd, 2008, 05:10 PM	#18
Rob Collins Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 229	I have the Intensity Pro card. It sends out 1080/60i via HDMI to my monitor. I'm shooting 1080 24p and 30p, editing in FCP. With external video set to the card, it plays back all my footage perfectly, whether my sequence is set to EX native or the one Blackmagic provides (or any other I've tried). I read in another thread (before buying the card) that it does the pull down in real time--I assume that's what's happening. I've also sent HV20 HDV24p video through it with no problem. At the moment I'm not also monitoring SD, though I think the card will let me do that via component or s-video. I like the audio from the card too--just RCA's, but with 1/4" adapters feeds my little M-Audio monitors nicely (can also send system sound to them). In case it matters, I have one of the new Mac Pros, 2 x 2.8 quad with 8g ram. For a video monitor I'm using the BenQ G2400W.

February 4th, 2008, 07:01 AM	#21
Paul Dhadialla Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 143	Nick, he does say it has component: Quote: "The EX1 uses the same micro-D-shell connector used by most Sony HDV cameras for analog component outputs" Secondly, I have the cam and can confirm it does have component out and it works perfectly - used it serveral times Paul

February 4th, 2008, 08:32 AM	#22
Craig Seeman Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA Posts: 3,841	I think when Adam Wilt refers to Y/C he means S-Video output. There is no S-Video output.

February 4th, 2008, 08:36 AM	#23
Andrew Wilson Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 123	So it seems that the Intensity Pro card will work as a way to monitor via HDMI but you're not really monitoring 1080p. You say it's doing the pulldown in realtime, but I've always referred to pulldown as how 24 frame material is converted to NTSC and vice-versa. What you mean (and maybe pulldown is the correct term) is that the Intensity Pro card converts from Progressive to Interlaced in real time. It looks like if I want to monitor true 1080p then I need the Kona LH and a 1080p monitor and do it using component.

February 4th, 2008, 09:02 AM	#24
Paul Dhadialla Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 143	Andrew you can also preview off the timeline through your video card to a computer monitor that is 1920x1080 over DVI. That is 1080P right there Paul