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Old May 15th, 2008, 09:56 AM   #16
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I am starting to think that it might not be for me. I certainly don't think it adds "dynanism", just screws up an otherwise nice shot! When the pan stops everything settles down and looks great again - on a still image the EX1 does make very impressive images I must say. Put Flash XDR on it and it'll be even better I'm sure - just struggling with the movement issue.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #17
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Open door maybe, but Steady Shot: On or Off ?

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Old May 15th, 2008, 10:35 AM   #18
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Steady shot Off George, good thought though.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 12:14 PM   #19
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Sorry Steve, I misread your initial post. You said 25 & 60p.

I would still like to see examples because this is a make or break issue for this camera.

It is not a still camera, motion is quite important.

I would also like to know if this is from the bitrate or the CMOS chips.

if bitrate, then the aformentioned Flash XDR will take care of any weirdness.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 12:15 PM   #20
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Steve, why not post the clip on Vimeo so we can actually have a look.

CMOS, at its current state of design in video cameras, has things inherent to it. As I mentioned, it's even there in Red and that kit is MUCH MORE expensive than the EX1.

Probably, the reason why a manufacturer chooses CMOS has to do with efficiency vs chip size. In the EX1's case it's the only 1/2" chip in a small camera. With Red it's a big chip relative to the size of the camera too. CMOS does do some nice things with light (it doesn't "band") that CCD doesn't too.

Every camera, every technology has a "characteristics" relative to price point or state of tech advancement.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 12:17 PM   #21
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Quite happy to post a clip, but all I can send is the mp4 clip direct from the SxS card as I don't have any way to transcode it to a QT or whatever. Any one got any thoughts?
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Old May 15th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #22
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I know it's there with the RED, I think that's the reason why just like the EX1 it's actually ludcirously cheap for its spec (much more so than the EX1 even).
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Old May 15th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #23
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What are you monitoring with? I find the cameras LCD appears to accentuate any stutter or judder. When I play back on a proper monitor it dosn't looks so bad.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 02:48 PM   #24
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LCD, plus TV screen (SD but should only affect resolution I assume not motion), and Macbook Pro.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 03:01 PM   #25
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Interlace SD TV screen to monitor progressive motion?
I think you'd be better off with an HDTV (1080p).

If you have QuicktimePro you can compress to H264 and post on Vimeo.
Various NLEs have the ability to compress on export to something high quality.

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LCD, plus TV screen (SD but should only affect resolution I assume not motion), and Macbook Pro.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #26
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It's just the same on the LCD though. I tried to open files in Quicktime Pro but it wouldn't let me, any idea why?
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Old May 15th, 2008, 03:18 PM   #27
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Quicktime won't open the EX MP4. You'd need FCP 6.0.2 or higher for the EX codec and use the free Sony XDCAM Transfer tool to re-wrap as mov.

I don't think any Compression app on the Mac handles EX MP4 source yet.

With FCP 6.0.2 and the XFER tool they'll handle the resultant mov file.
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Yeah that's what I thought, and why I didn't think I could post clips. I can view on VCL application and also on the Clip Browser software, but you can't do any transcoding etc.
You'll just have to take my word for it!
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Yeah that's what I thought, and why I didn't think I could post clips. I can view on VCL application and also on the Clip Browser software, but you can't do any transcoding etc.
You'll just have to take my word for it!
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The clip browser will export the clips as XDCAM, which Vegas Pro 8 will turn into anything you like. Have I understood correctly that you don't have an NLE able to process your EX files?

Some time back, because this was raised as a most serious problem, I spent time assessing the appearance of fast tracking pans with the CMOS shutter and could find nothing objectionable (and I'm fussy). Perhaps your bird was small in the frame, so the background overwhelmed the image? I agree with Craig on both the points he made; you'll be familiar with interlace artifacts of showing interlaced material on a progressive monitor, and I would expect (but haven't checked) problems for progressive on interlaced displays.

However your Mac should be showing progressive. Certainly no good keeping a camera that doesn't give the results you want.
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I've just put a short on vimeo with several bird shots and some very fast pans.
These were shot at 30p, shutter off. They look as I'd expect them to.
Link: http://www.vimeo.com/1016518/l:transcoded_email
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