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Old August 29th, 2008, 05:58 AM   #1
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1.11 Allows USB disk drive - Will it allow USB memory?

I just thought of something.

Sony said, that for the 60GB disk drive to be supported by the EX1, they had to allow USB expresscard interface. Although they said it would not support 3rd party memory... Maybe it now does?

Does anybody have a Lexar memory card (or some other expresscard usb memory) available tro try with the 1.11 version of the camera?

Would be interesting to know.. If the card could write about 9 MB/s ( 70 mbits) it would be fast enough to take on overcranked footage as well..

Any thoughts?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 08:13 AM   #2
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I found this in another forum

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I tested the read write speeds of 1) Sony SXS 8gb card from my EX1 and 2) a Transcend 8gb card I use as a memory stick.

Using "Passmark" test software on my Vaio laptop, the cards were plugged into the Express card 34/54 slot and tested:

Results:
Sony SXS 8GIG write 4.63MBytes/sec read 31.2MBytes/sec
Transcend 8 gig write 0.68MBytes/sec read 15.4MBytes/sec
Anandtech had a review as well. Not a pretty picture, even as a thumb drive replacement.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #3
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Those numbers must be wrong.

in 720p60 the EX1 writes (on max vbr) 70 Mbit/s

which is almost 10 MB/s..

the SXS Cards can (on paper) handle 100 MB/s..
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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:22 AM   #4
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the SXS Cards can (on paper) handle 100 MB/s..
And it does - on my desktop, using the PCIexpress-based reader, I can copy to HDD at ca. 60 MBps.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #5
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Yeah..

So what I want to know is this:

Can you use an USB based SDHC reader and use fast SDHC cards?

Anybody got one?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 01:21 PM   #6
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I wonder if this device could be used to record SP format

Sony | MSAC-EX1 Memory Stick Duo ExpressCard Adaptor | MSAC-EX1
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Old August 29th, 2008, 04:38 PM   #7
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I tried this, with no luck (not with v1.11)
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Old August 29th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #8
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We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :)
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Old August 30th, 2008, 03:07 AM   #9
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What they have enabled is the use of an Express card to USB adapter card. The PHU-60 is essentially a USB hard drive. It connects to the camera via USB and an Express to USB adapter card. I don't know whether the adapter card is a generic card Sony have re-badged or whether it is a Sony designed card. It may be possible to buy the PHU-60 and then use different hard drives, I don't know, but you would have to find a way to power the drive. As S&Q motion doesn't work with the PHU-60 I guess if you use anything other than an SxS card you will be limited to standard frame rates.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:10 PM   #10
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SSD cards work with the 1.11 update

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We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :)
oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.
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so , any express card adapter to any kind of fast memory should work ?
CFExpressPro ExpressCard to CompactFlash Memory Card Adapter, (Compact Flash) Synchrotech

or to usb hard drives ?

that would be great since a 120 gig hardrive cost nothing and is far faster than any memory.
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oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.
oh my.... can you shoot some rippling water.... even at 720 60p and see if it holds up?

googling some express cards leads me to some cheap prices.... but the SSD SATA drives via a sata cable>express sata gets me excited!
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i am not sure ripling water would change anything, the bandwith is fixed ( i think).
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oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.
So you are saying non sxs transcend 8 and 16Gb cards now work in the EX1?

If so thats a hell of a saving on sxs prices if the quality holds up.
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So you are saying non sxs transcend 8 and 16Gb cards now work in the EX1?

If so thats a hell of a saving on sxs prices if the quality holds up.
Have only tried Lexar 8GB SSD cards two min clips I will try to do more extensive testing tomr.
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