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Old September 7th, 2008, 02:58 PM   #16
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Is Sony going to release an Alpha adaptor? To allow their Zeiss stills lenses on the EX3 directly?
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Old September 7th, 2008, 05:34 PM   #17
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It will be interesting if the nanoflash makes this a serious professional wildlife camera.
only if EX3 gives 720 60p over HDSDI ?

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Old September 7th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #18
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It will be interesting if the nanoflash makes this a serious professional wildlife camera.
I wonder how a flying bird will look with 50Mbs/100Mbs ?
But those data rates are not supposed to cure wobble.
I expect to see some wobble when using very long lens (600mm) on less than perfect conditions, and while tightly tracking an animal/bird (not a constant speed pan).
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Old September 7th, 2008, 09:28 PM   #19
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I wonder how a flying bird will look with 50Mbs/100Mbs ?
But those data rates are not supposed to cure wobble.
I expect to see some wobble when using very long lens (600mm) on less than perfect conditions, and while tightly tracking an animal/bird (not a constant speed pan).
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Old September 8th, 2008, 05:20 AM   #20
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Sassi, are you refering to wobble from compression artifacts or physical wobble from tripod panning?
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Old September 8th, 2008, 06:35 AM   #21
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Sassi, are you referring to wobble from compression artifacts or physical wobble from tripod panning?
Sorry for not being clear. I am referring to one of the rolling shutter effects.
I think that even with higher data rates that the XDR will introduce,
Some of the pans will show CMOS wobble.
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Old September 8th, 2008, 07:52 AM   #22
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So, it would appear this rolling shutter problem is a deal breaker for the EX3 as far as fast moving wildlife is concerned?

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Old September 8th, 2008, 07:57 AM   #23
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Well I thought there was some sort of issue when I tried an EX1, but many other people have said that it's nonsense. To repeat what I saw, when filming flying birds the background had a horrible judder to it. I then tried some slow pans as a test and saw the same sort of juddery motion, even in interlaced. And this wouldn't be a codec issue as you could see it in the viewfinder, ie before compression. But after a lot of debate I did start to wonder if I was mad!
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Old September 8th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #24
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So, it would appear this rolling shutter problem is a deal breaker for the EX3 as far as fast moving wildlife is concerned?
I hope this is not the case.
What I would like to see is a direct comparison of object tracking footage between
100Mbs CMOS (EX3) against 100Mbs CCD (xlh1), when the XDR/NANO will be available.
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Read this CMOS Rolling Shutter

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Old September 8th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #25
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Thanks Sassi, yes I read that ages ago, and I tended to think that was the reason I had motion problem when I tested the EX1, but other definitely have different ideas! I really don't know. One thing I still believe is that there is a reason why the EX cameras are so incredibly cheap compared to their spec, and the RED too. There has to be a reason why you're getting a full raster 1920x1080 camera with 720 built in, and a lens for 6000, while you're paying 25,000 for a Sony 790 that's 1440x1080, only 25P/50i, and no lens.
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Old September 8th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #26
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Hi Steve

What is your preferred camera for wildlife. I think you've worked on Iolo's series?

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Old September 8th, 2008, 10:34 AM   #27
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Well it WAS Super 16, but that seems to be a thing of the past now!
Varicam is the standard really, more recently HDX900 and the HPX2100 and now I suppose the new 2700. Thing is, for wildlife you have to have slomo really, you just miss it so much if you're after a high quality look.
At the moment I've got a Sony F355 just for personal use really, and maybe getting a PDW700 as it has good chips plus will soon have 720/50P so ticks a lot of boxes, plus I do like the disc system.
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Old September 8th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #28
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Out of curiosity, when you are talking about wobble, do you find that occurs more pronounced at higher shutter speeds ?

My observation from use of a 35mm adapter (with the lowly HV20) is that the "jello" wobble effect seems to increase with shutter speeds. The vibrating adapter I used was introducing the effect at 1/48, and would increase as I took it to 1/60 and to 1/120 and higher.
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