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Old August 29th, 2008, 05:58 AM   #1
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Old August 29th, 2008, 05:58 AM   #2
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I just thought of something.

Sony said, that for the 60GB disk drive to be supported by the EX1, they had to allow USB expresscard interface. Although they said it would not support 3rd party memory... Maybe it now does?

Does anybody have a Lexar memory card (or some other expresscard usb memory) available tro try with the 1.11 version of the camera?

Would be interesting to know.. If the card could write about 9 MB/s ( 70 mbits) it would be fast enough to take on overcranked footage as well..

So what I want to know is this:

Can you use a USB based SDHC reader and use fast SDHC cards?

Any thoughts? Anybody got one?

We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :)
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Old August 30th, 2008, 03:07 AM   #3
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What they have enabled is the use of an Express card to USB adapter card. The PHU-60 is essentially a USB hard drive. It connects to the camera via USB and an Express to USB adapter card. I don't know whether the adapter card is a generic card Sony have re-badged or whether it is a Sony designed card. It may be possible to buy the PHU-60 and then use different hard drives, I don't know, but you would have to find a way to power the drive. As S&Q motion doesn't work with the PHU-60 I guess if you use anything other than an SxS card you will be limited to standard frame rates.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:10 PM   #4
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SSD cards work with the 1.11 update

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We know it doesn't work without 1.11. The point is, for the disk to work, they had to enable USB interface support through expresscard. So it _might_ work with the 1.11 :)
oK updated my cam to 1.11 purchased a Lexar 8gb express put it in the Ex1 message Format card poped up. Formated the card recorded at SP and HQ modes complete. I do not know if I would try recording a paid job with the after market cards at HQ mode. The only problem is the Sony external card reader will not read the Lexar express card SSD had to use my laptop.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:35 PM   #5
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so , any express card adapter to any kind of fast memory should work ?
CFExpressPro ExpressCard to CompactFlash Memory Card Adapter, (Compact Flash) Synchrotech

or to usb hard drives ?

that would be great since a 120 gig hardrive cost nothing and is far faster than any memory.
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oh my.... can you shoot some rippling water.... even at 720 60p and see if it holds up?

googling some express cards leads me to some cheap prices.... but the SSD SATA drives via a sata cable>express sata gets me excited!
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:58 PM   #7
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So you are saying non sxs transcend 8 and 16Gb cards now work in the EX1?

If so thats a hell of a saving on sxs prices if the quality holds up.
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So I was right with my theory ;) Good stuff

What about trying an ExpressCard SD reader and use the new fast SDHC cards?

They're cheap And writes 30 MB/s... (sandisk)
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So I was right with my theory ;) Good stuff

What about trying an ExpressCard SD reader and use the new fast SDHC cards?

They're cheap And writes 30 MB/s... (sandisk)
So let me get this clear. You are saying put a 32Gb SDHC card into the ExpressCard sd reader and then push the ExpressCard SD reader into the SXS slot on the EX1 ( leaving the door open)

Is that right?
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Old September 1st, 2008, 03:37 AM   #10
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That's the theory. Are you sure you have to leave the door open?

I think some readers allow push in push out like the readers on many laptops..
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You would have to leave the door open. I thought it would fit inside the adapter.

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Old September 1st, 2008, 08:20 AM   #12
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HI Brian, is that Sony one any better than this, or just a branded adaptor, because the price difference is large. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=150289083497
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That image probably shows the chip half way in. Would be no point to show a picture of it inside. Then you wouldn't see it.

Looking forward to hearing from you.
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So I was right with my theory ;) Good stuff

What about trying an ExpressCard SD reader and use the new fast SDHC cards?

They're cheap And writes 30 MB/s... (sandisk)
This could work with an ExpressCard CF reader too... With a 233x or faster CF...
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Old September 1st, 2008, 01:51 PM   #15
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There is now to topics on the same topic. We should keep to one of them!

As I wrote in the other section. I don't think the CF reader would fit into the slot.
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