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Jay Gladwell October 4th, 2008 05:00 PM

EX3 - Seeing Rolling Shadows In Some Shots
 
Once in a while I get shots, and I don't know how else to describe this, that have what appears to be a rolling shadow(s) in the brighter areas.

Shooting 1920x1080-30p @1/60 shutter speed.

What I am doing wrong?

Steven Thomas October 4th, 2008 05:40 PM

Jay,
I'm sure you know a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case maybe a small video sample.

Ola Christoffersson October 4th, 2008 06:33 PM

I have seen the same in my footage in the last couple of days and I suspect it is a problem with my new Letus. Are you using a 35 mm adapter?

John Peterson October 4th, 2008 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Gladwell (Post 946974)
Once in a while I get shots, and I don't know how else to describe this, that have what appears to be a rolling shadow(s) in the brighter areas.

Shooting 1920x1080-30p @1/60 shutter speed.

What I am doing wrong?

If it is occurring while panning, this is one of the problems I have noticed with footage from these cameras. Even some of the sample clips linked in the first section of the forum exhibit this problem. The Hawaiian Fishing video comes to mind.

John

Steven Thomas October 4th, 2008 07:08 PM

Own the camera for a year and have never seen this.
The only artifact I've seen that has a rolling effect is the rolling shutter under certain fluorescent lighting. This is expected.

Please point to the examples you've seen here.

Jay Gladwell October 4th, 2008 08:05 PM

When I saw the problem, I dumped the files. I'll try again tomorrow and post something.

Jay Gladwell October 4th, 2008 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ola Christoffersson (Post 946994)
I have seen the same in my footage in the last couple of days and I suspect it is a problem with my new Letus. Are you using a 35 mm adapter?

No, just the stock lens.

John Peterson October 5th, 2008 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas (Post 947000)
Own the camera for a year and have never seen this.
The only artifact I've seen that has a rolling effect is the rolling shutter under certain fluorescent lighting. This is expected.

Please point to the examples you've seen here.

The Hawaiin Fishing video clips were here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/ex-series...-shot-ex1.html

When I click on that link it says the .mov file has been removed.

I guess Dean Sensui has a TV show, but I couldn't find it there:

Welcome to Hawaii Goes Fishing

John

Jay Gladwell October 5th, 2008 09:15 AM

I've tried uploading a clip to Vimeo, but it looked like garbage. So much so you couldn't see the shadow flutter (I deleted it).

As HD is totally new to me, any help would be appreciate (using Vegas Pro 8).

Thanks!

Steven Thomas October 5th, 2008 09:28 AM

Odd.
Vimeo is actually really good. Also, it even allows the HD version to be attached.
You should have no trouble showing video quality on vimeo.

I've only used vimeo once, but it worked well.
SONY PMW-EX1 Arizona Renaissance Festival on Vimeo

Jay Gladwell October 5th, 2008 09:32 AM

Steve, I'm not blaming Vimeo! It's all my doing, no doubt. As I said, this HD format is totally new to me... like starting over.

I'm sure I did something, or failed to do something, that created a crappy video file.

Jay Gladwell October 5th, 2008 12:42 PM

Update
 
I tried shooting some additional footage (nothing fancy or "beautiful"). The fluttering seems to only show where electric lights (incandescent) are shown. However, it only appears at the 30p frame rate at 1/60 of a second. I also tried 24p at 1/48 and 60i at 1/60. There were no flutters.

So what is it about 30p at 1/60 that creates these flutters?

Jesse Morgan October 7th, 2008 11:38 PM

I posted about this in another thread, does it look like this:

Sony EX1 Problems, please help! on Vimeo

Jay Gladwell October 8th, 2008 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse Morgan (Post 948179)
I posted about this in another thread, does it look like this:

Sony EX1 Problems, please help! on Vimeo

Jesse, have you seen the thread Ola started? It has some good tips in it!


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