Wedding in 720 60P? at DVinfo.net

Paul Dhadialla · January 3rd, 2009, 01:21 PM

Hi all!

Anybody shooting "weddings" in 720 60P ?

As 720 60P is blu-ray compatible and 60P would eliminate 24p judder

I really want to go progressive with wedding shoots but 24p is just not ideal for wedding shoots IMHO. Way too much panning at moderate speed required.

Again - output is Blu-ray

1080i is what i'm doing now - its fine but prefer progressive
Paul

Steve Shovlar · January 3rd, 2009, 01:39 PM

Being in PAL land I shoot my weddings in 720P50. Gives a nice smooth look and of course for slo mo you have twice the frames to play with.

All my couples get a blu-ray version of their wedding. No problems at all.

Brian Rhodes · January 3rd, 2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dhadialla

Hi all!

Anybody shooting "weddings" in 720 60P ?

As 720 60P is blu-ray compatible and 60P would eliminate 24p judder

I really want to go progressive with wedding shoots but 24p is just not ideal for wedding shoots IMHO. Way too much panning at moderate speed required.

Again - output is Blu-ray

1080i is what i'm doing now - its fine but prefer progressive
Paul

I shoot all my weddings in 720 60p works great when doing slow motion.

Sean Seah · January 4th, 2009, 09:08 PM

Same comments from me. I'm in PAL land n the 50P is oh so smooth in slo mo!

Adam Reuter · January 5th, 2009, 08:52 PM

I'm an NTSC guy. I shoot most of my event work at 1080/60i. Simply because the EX1 has better low light sensitivity in that mode than any other. That plus I personally like the way smoother motion looks for "reality" work.

I've shot one wedding at 24p (the groom is a videographer). It actually turned out rather nice although I have issues with things being too dark. Although I've found that 18 dB in that mode looks a lot less noisey than 1080/60i and 720/24p. I ended up shooting at a slower shutter speed (1/32 and 1/24, shutter off).

Nick Wilson · January 7th, 2009, 03:42 AM

I have a bit of an issue with 720/60p or 50p being seen as the 'ideal' format. I accept that it goes easily to 50i and 25p (or NTSC equivalents) and works well when you want slo-mo. However, this is at the expense of chucking away half of what you record, whether every other frame or every other line. This means that of the 35 Mbit/s you are only making use of 17.5, which is rather less than HDV. Granted that if delivery is SD, it may not make much difference, but overall it seems to make more sense to use 1080/25P for better resolution or 720/25P for lowest compression.

Ted OMalley · January 7th, 2009, 08:40 AM

Great point, Nick. I always go through some consternation when choosing a format, "Will I need slo-mo or not?" All of the HQ formats are 35 Mbps. If you're shooting 24p, each frame can contain almost 1.5Mb of data (on average), yet at 60p, that's reduced to below .6Mb per frame.

This is why, if you know that you will need slo-mo, it is ideal to overcrank rather than plan on doing it all in post. Overcranked 24p (to 60) still uses the 1.5 number above on each frame - just records more of them. Of course, you won't be getting audio at the same time -- you'll have to break out either the audio recorder or use the second EX camera for that!

Do the expenses ever cease?!

Scott Cassie · January 7th, 2009, 11:25 AM

I was thinking of shooting in 720 50p, but was wondering what is the best way of getting from that to standard def DVD (using final cut studio)?

Scott

January 3rd, 2009, 01:21 PM	#1
Paul Dhadialla Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 143	Wedding in 720 60P? Hi all! Anybody shooting "weddings" in 720 60P ? As 720 60P is blu-ray compatible and 60P would eliminate 24p judder I really want to go progressive with wedding shoots but 24p is just not ideal for wedding shoots IMHO. Way too much panning at moderate speed required. Again - output is Blu-ray 1080i is what i'm doing now - its fine but prefer progressive Paul

January 7th, 2009, 08:40 AM	#7
Ted OMalley Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 596	Great point, Nick. I always go through some consternation when choosing a format, "Will I need slo-mo or not?" All of the HQ formats are 35 Mbps. If you're shooting 24p, each frame can contain almost 1.5Mb of data (on average), yet at 60p, that's reduced to below .6Mb per frame. This is why, if you know that you will need slo-mo, it is ideal to overcrank rather than plan on doing it all in post. Overcranked 24p (to 60) still uses the 1.5 number above on each frame - just records more of them. Of course, you won't be getting audio at the same time -- you'll have to break out either the audio recorder or use the second EX camera for that! Do the expenses ever cease?! __________________ Sony EX3, Vegas 9.0 64bit, Windows 7(64), Core i7, 12GB, RAID1 & 0, HotSwap SATA, 30" LCD(2560x1600)-GTX285 & 24" LCD(1360x768)-7800GT

January 3rd, 2009, 01:39 PM	#2
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Being in PAL land I shoot my weddings in 720P50. Gives a nice smooth look and of course for slo mo you have twice the frames to play with. All my couples get a blu-ray version of their wedding. No problems at all.

January 4th, 2009, 09:08 PM	#4
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Same comments from me. I'm in PAL land n the 50P is oh so smooth in slo mo!

January 5th, 2009, 08:52 PM	#5
Adam Reuter Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 234	I'm an NTSC guy. I shoot most of my event work at 1080/60i. Simply because the EX1 has better low light sensitivity in that mode than any other. That plus I personally like the way smoother motion looks for "reality" work. I've shot one wedding at 24p (the groom is a videographer). It actually turned out rather nice although I have issues with things being too dark. Although I've found that 18 dB in that mode looks a lot less noisey than 1080/60i and 720/24p. I ended up shooting at a slower shutter speed (1/32 and 1/24, shutter off).

January 7th, 2009, 03:42 AM	#6
Nick Wilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northampton, UK Posts: 259	I have a bit of an issue with 720/60p or 50p being seen as the 'ideal' format. I accept that it goes easily to 50i and 25p (or NTSC equivalents) and works well when you want slo-mo. However, this is at the expense of chucking away half of what you record, whether every other frame or every other line. This means that of the 35 Mbit/s you are only making use of 17.5, which is rather less than HDV. Granted that if delivery is SD, it may not make much difference, but overall it seems to make more sense to use 1080/25P for better resolution or 720/25P for lowest compression.

January 7th, 2009, 11:25 AM	#8
Scott Cassie Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Peterhead, Scotland Posts: 35	I was thinking of shooting in 720 50p, but was wondering what is the best way of getting from that to standard def DVD (using final cut studio)? Scott