Power Mac G5 for editing EX3 footage at DVinfo.net

Ofer Levy · February 25th, 2009, 07:23 AM

Hi all,

I can get a 4 years old Power Mac G5, 512 MB/250GB for a very good price.
Will it be good enough for handling footage obtained with the EX3? I don't really need it for serious editing, just very basic stuff.
What upgrading I should consider in order for it to be useful ?

Thanks,

Ofer

Barry J. Anwender · February 25th, 2009, 09:06 AM

Ofer, your decision needs to also include the use of Sony's EX3 utilities and also importantly video editing suit that you intend to use.

Sony's XDCAM Transfer 2.8 states the following minimum requirements:
PowerPC G5 2GHz, Intel Core 2 Duo, Intel Xeon 2GHz or higher
1GB or more of memory
Mac OS 10.4.11 or later, preferably 10.5.6
Final Cut Pro 6.0.2 or later, preferably 6.0.5

Sony's XDCAM EX Browser 2.0.1 states the following minimum requirements:
OS: OS X 10.4.10 or later, preferably 10.5.6
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1GHz or higher NOTE no PPC!
Memory: 1 GB or more recommended

So right off the bat, you need an Intel machine for Sony's Clip Browser, more RAM at least 4GB for FCP and preferably 8GB, as well as a second hard drive. First rule of thumb in video editing is have a dedicated hard drive for video editing clips/projects. The PPC G5 internal hard drives are also limited to SATA I speeds.

Also note that Apple's Snow Leopard OS 10.6 due to be released this summer will not work on PPC's. So as you look forward all application software upgrades will be requiring Intel machines.

I made the transition from a PPC G5 Quad to a MacPro Intel 3.2 Octo a year ago and have not looked back. I made the transition knowing that I would purchase my EX3 last October. I recommend at least 8GB of RAM minimum and preferably 16GB for video editing. The MacPro's can also accommodate four SATA II hard drives internally. Budget for lots of hard drive space as video projects will use much more space that the EX3 footage. If you intend on doing Blu-ray authoring, also budget for a beefy video card.

Hope this help, cheers!

Jeremy Wilker · February 25th, 2009, 09:39 AM

I would say don't bother and skip the G5 entirely. This unit is several generations old now and the money you sink into it won't benefit you in the long term. Not only the is the CPU ancient, but so is the RAM, the graphics card, the drive controllers, the bus speeds, etc, etc. When you buy a newer machine (Intel CPU for sure) you are getting SO much more for your money.
Take a peek at Apple's Special Deals section of their online store as they often have refurbished units for a reduced price but with a warranty. If you have to be really budget conscious, perhaps you should look into one of the bigger, more recent, iMac machines and go with Firewire 800 drives. Better yet, get the last generation of the MacBook Pro and stick 4 gigs of RAM in it and you'll get the Expresscard slot, FW800, Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and a nice screen with ability to hook up another display (this is what I use quite often and it works great).

Bob Jackson · February 25th, 2009, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ofer Levy

Hi all,

I can get a 4 years old Power Mac G5, 512 MB/250GB for a very good price.
Will it be good enough for handling footage obtained with the EX3? I don't really need it for serious editing, just very basic stuff.
What upgrading I should consider in order for it to be useful ?

Thanks,

Ofer

I have used my old PB G4-1.5GHz 1.5GB to edit ex1 footage.
Unfortunately clip browser doesn work with it.

Ofer Levy · February 25th, 2009, 04:12 PM

Thanks for the advice guys!
I guess I will have to get the newer machine.

Chris Leong · February 25th, 2009, 04:47 PM

Ofer:

Editing EX1 35mB/s footage on an Apple G5 PPC quad, FCP 6.0.x, everything works well.

However, I did spend an extra $800 on a very serious graphic card and I also have 8GB RAM on board. Main HD SDI I/O is an Aja Kona setup but I do have an older Canopus ADVC110 on a firewire cable that also gives me great I/O, albeit SD.

I do have a couple of PCs networked with the Apple and mainly use them for VFX (Lightwave, Maya, Combustion, Boujou, etc) and also to create Blu Ray content from the EX1 footage.

So YMMV but my solution works very well.

Cheers
Chris

Duncan Craig · February 25th, 2009, 04:51 PM

I'm still using my original Dual 2GHz G5, 1.5GB RAM, 256MB video, the latest version of FCS2 and the latest updates of 10.4. Ordered it the day G5s were announced (although it took months to arrive IIRC)

The Sony import plugin and XDCAM transfer both work well. It edits footage from the EX1 in realtime. CC and simple dissolves play realtime. It's rock solid, and always has been. i often runs with loads of apps open never seems a major problem for it.

Last week I bought a new 17'' MBP from Apple with 4GB and 512MB video, which renders in FCP and Cinema 4D just over twice as fast as the ancient G5 tower.

It's not that it won't work with EX material, it does. But it might not be so great if you want lots fast renders and effects.

Ofer Levy · February 26th, 2009, 08:01 AM

Thanks guys!

Brian Luce · February 26th, 2009, 03:50 PM

Even in Doug Jensen's Vortex video he says an old dual core 2ghz macbookpro works good. So it's hard to believe that g5 could be much worse.

Mitchell Lewis · February 26th, 2009, 04:33 PM

I think it depends on your definition of "editing video". If you're doing basic cuts in FCP and dissolves with old a single layer (maybe 2 layers on the rare occasion) then you'll be fine. But don't expect much more than that.

February 25th, 2009, 07:23 AM	#1
Ofer Levy Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney-Australia Posts: 443	Power Mac G5 for editing EX3 footage Hi all, I can get a 4 years old Power Mac G5, 512 MB/250GB for a very good price. Will it be good enough for handling footage obtained with the EX3? I don't really need it for serious editing, just very basic stuff. What upgrading I should consider in order for it to be useful ? Thanks, Ofer

February 25th, 2009, 09:39 AM	#3
Jeremy Wilker New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 18	PowerMac G5? Don't bother. I would say don't bother and skip the G5 entirely. This unit is several generations old now and the money you sink into it won't benefit you in the long term. Not only the is the CPU ancient, but so is the RAM, the graphics card, the drive controllers, the bus speeds, etc, etc. When you buy a newer machine (Intel CPU for sure) you are getting SO much more for your money. Take a peek at Apple's Special Deals section of their online store as they often have refurbished units for a reduced price but with a warranty. If you have to be really budget conscious, perhaps you should look into one of the bigger, more recent, iMac machines and go with Firewire 800 drives. Better yet, get the last generation of the MacBook Pro and stick 4 gigs of RAM in it and you'll get the Expresscard slot, FW800, Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and a nice screen with ability to hook up another display (this is what I use quite often and it works great).

February 25th, 2009, 04:47 PM	#6
Chris Leong Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles CA USA Posts: 507	Ofer: Editing EX1 35mB/s footage on an Apple G5 PPC quad, FCP 6.0.x, everything works well. However, I did spend an extra $800 on a very serious graphic card and I also have 8GB RAM on board. Main HD SDI I/O is an Aja Kona setup but I do have an older Canopus ADVC110 on a firewire cable that also gives me great I/O, albeit SD. I do have a couple of PCs networked with the Apple and mainly use them for VFX (Lightwave, Maya, Combustion, Boujou, etc) and also to create Blu Ray content from the EX1 footage. So YMMV but my solution works very well. Cheers Chris __________________ "The content, not the container."

February 25th, 2009, 04:51 PM	#7
Duncan Craig Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 660 Images: 10	I'm still using my original Dual 2GHz G5, 1.5GB RAM, 256MB video, the latest version of FCS2 and the latest updates of 10.4. Ordered it the day G5s were announced (although it took months to arrive IIRC) The Sony import plugin and XDCAM transfer both work well. It edits footage from the EX1 in realtime. CC and simple dissolves play realtime. It's rock solid, and always has been. i often runs with loads of apps open never seems a major problem for it. Last week I bought a new 17'' MBP from Apple with 4GB and 512MB video, which renders in FCP and Cinema 4D just over twice as fast as the ancient G5 tower. It's not that it won't work with EX material, it does. But it might not be so great if you want lots fast renders and effects. __________________ FCPX/LS300/EX1/FS100/GoPro/Vinten/HotHead/Jib/Track/Dedos/Lightstorm/Coollights

February 26th, 2009, 04:33 PM	#10
Mitchell Lewis Trustee Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 1,124	I think it depends on your definition of "editing video". If you're doing basic cuts in FCP and dissolves with old a single layer (maybe 2 layers on the rare occasion) then you'll be fine. But don't expect much more than that. __________________ Sony EX3, Canon 5D MkII, Chrosziel Matte Box, Sachtler tripod, Steadicam Flyer, Mac Pro, Apple/Adobe software - 20 years as a local videographer/editor

February 25th, 2009, 09:06 AM	#2
Barry J. Anwender Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 382	Ofer, your decision needs to also include the use of Sony's EX3 utilities and also importantly video editing suit that you intend to use. Sony's XDCAM Transfer 2.8 states the following minimum requirements: PowerPC G5 2GHz, Intel Core 2 Duo, Intel Xeon 2GHz or higher 1GB or more of memory Mac OS 10.4.11 or later, preferably 10.5.6 Final Cut Pro 6.0.2 or later, preferably 6.0.5 Sony's XDCAM EX Browser 2.0.1 states the following minimum requirements: OS: OS X 10.4.10 or later, preferably 10.5.6 CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1GHz or higher NOTE no PPC! Memory: 1 GB or more recommended So right off the bat, you need an Intel machine for Sony's Clip Browser, more RAM at least 4GB for FCP and preferably 8GB, as well as a second hard drive. First rule of thumb in video editing is have a dedicated hard drive for video editing clips/projects. The PPC G5 internal hard drives are also limited to SATA I speeds. Also note that Apple's Snow Leopard OS 10.6 due to be released this summer will not work on PPC's. So as you look forward all application software upgrades will be requiring Intel machines. I made the transition from a PPC G5 Quad to a MacPro Intel 3.2 Octo a year ago and have not looked back. I made the transition knowing that I would purchase my EX3 last October. I recommend at least 8GB of RAM minimum and preferably 16GB for video editing. The MacPro's can also accommodate four SATA II hard drives internally. Budget for lots of hard drive space as video projects will use much more space that the EX3 footage. If you intend on doing Blu-ray authoring, also budget for a beefy video card. Hope this help, cheers!

February 25th, 2009, 04:12 PM	#5
Ofer Levy Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney-Australia Posts: 443	Thanks for the advice guys! I guess I will have to get the newer machine.

February 26th, 2009, 08:01 AM	#8
Ofer Levy Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney-Australia Posts: 443	Thanks guys!

February 26th, 2009, 03:50 PM	#9
Brian Luce Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,290	Even in Doug Jensen's Vortex video he says an old dual core 2ghz macbookpro works good. So it's hard to believe that g5 could be much worse.