Settings in UK at DVinfo.net

Dave Tyrer · July 11th, 2009, 04:10 AM

What settings are you using in the UK ? PAL, NTSC, 30P, 24P, 25P, etc ?

Brian Rigler · July 11th, 2009, 04:14 AM

pal 50p inthe uk

Nick Wilson · July 11th, 2009, 04:50 AM

Set the country to 'PAL Area', then use whichever of the available video formats suits your project best.

Vincent Oliver · July 11th, 2009, 05:33 AM

Generally PAL is your best choice. However, if your doing clips for the web then NTSC or PAL will be fine. Most DVD players today will also play NTSC format DVDs. I have just completed a DVD project in NTSC and it looks fine.

Boyd Ostroff · July 11th, 2009, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver

Most DVD players today will also play NTSC format DVDs.

Just be aware that most DVD players in the US will not play PAL...

Dave Tyrer · July 11th, 2009, 08:39 AM

The reason for me asking is that from the footage I saw on Doug Jensen's DVD the HQ1080 30p setting looked the best, but this was in NTSC only. PAL was 25P and didn't look as good IMHO. Is any conversion necessary if I settled on using that format?

Piotr Wozniacki · July 11th, 2009, 09:03 AM

One of the most important reason to use "PAL area" when shooting in EU is that it offers shutter speeds and framerates that will not interfere with various kind of artificial lighting, operating at 50 Hz.

Using 24p, 30p or 60i in a 50 Hz land can lead to serious problems in the picture!

Dave Tyrer · July 11th, 2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

One of the most important reason to use "PAL area" when shooting in EU is that it offers shutter speed that will not interfere with various kind of artificial lighting, operating at 50 Hz.

Using 24p, 30p or 60i in a 50 Hz land can lead to serious problems in the picture!

Thanks Piotr but as I'm only interested in shooting wildife and countryside, seascape, etc it's not really an issue for me. I was more concerned about viewing on TV or web.

David Heath · July 12th, 2009, 01:58 AM

Note that the EX does NOT shoot PAL (or NTSC) - the settings are "PAL area" or "NTSC area" - note the word "area". PAL and NTSC are terms that only apply to Standard Definition TV. It would be less confusing to talk about "50Hz areas" and "60Hz areas".

That's what the differences are - frame rates based on either 50 or 60Hz. Where PAL/NTSC may be relevant is if you downconvert to SD, 60Hz HD will more naturally downconvert to NTSC, 50Hz HD to PAL. Unless you know a substantial market for your work will be in an NTSC area, if you live in the UK it's best to stick to 50Hz based framerates.

Les Nagy · July 12th, 2009, 08:17 AM

If you want to distribute your footage in NA exclusively and there is any artificial lighting involved, this is a quote from a thread I started when I returned from Chile:
"The best results seem to be to shoot with flicker reduction on and set to 60Hz and the shutter at 50Hz. All of this while shooting at NTSC 1080 30P, my preferred shooting format. I detect no flicker with these settings."

If you don't care to distribute the footage for NA television consumption, then just set the camera to PAL area as suggested.

Piotr Wozniacki · July 12th, 2009, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Nagy

If you want to distribute your footage in NA exclusively and there is any artificial lighting involved, this is a quote from a thread I started when I returned from Chile:
"The best results seem to be to shoot with flicker reduction on and set to 60Hz and the shutter at 50Hz. All of this while shooting at NTSC 1080 30P, my preferred shooting format. I detect no flicker with these settings."

If you don't care to distribute the footage for NA television consumption, then just set the camera to PAL area as suggested.

Interesting; have you shot long enough with these settings to make sure it would NEVER give the flickering interference?

While we're at it, did you try 24p with 50 Hz lighting, as well? If so, would you care to share your results regarding flicker; also:

- what kind of artificial lighting did you test it?
- what frequency of flicker reduction worked best with 24p, 1/48th shutter?

Les Nagy · July 12th, 2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

Interesting; have you shot long enough with these settings to make sure it would NEVER give the flickering interference?

While we're at it, did you try 24p with 50 Hz lighting, as well? If so, would you care to share your results regarding flicker; also:

- what kind of artificial lighting did you test it?
- what frequency of flicker reduction worked best with 24p, 1/48th shutter?

My original thread is here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-xdca...highlight=50hz

I had a few long shots during interviews that lasted 40 minutes and no flicker.

But no, I did not try anything other than 1080 30p as I was under the gun with a TV show shoot. I didn't stop moving and shooting for 12 hrs straight. I lost 4 hrs of footage because I didn't have a chance to review it on a big screen. Even though setting to flicker reduction of 50 seemed to help while looking through the view finder, it did not eliminate it in the real footage.

The lighting was anything from mercury vapor, incandescent, and florescent. It was my first shoot in a 50Hz world and I was somewhat embarrassed to admit to the producer that we had some very substandard footage as a result of this. I did get the footage we needed in the end however.

Mitchell Skurnik · July 12th, 2009, 11:46 AM

I have always wondered what would happen if I take a US camera and film in the UK or other PAL country. If it is intended for a US audience I guess you still need to set the camera to 50Hz or as you said you get flickering video

Bruce Rawlings · July 12th, 2009, 12:07 PM

I have just produced a SD-DVD aimed at the American market (I'm based in the UK) and decided to shoot Ex1 & HDCAM PAL because of possible interview lighting issues. I had the completed programme converted to NTSC on a top end broadcast Snell & Wilcox Alchemist. Suprisingly the cost of transfer was not that high and the results compared to normal NTSC broadcast output are stunning.

Dave Tyrer · July 13th, 2009, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Rawlings

I have just produced a SD-DVD aimed at the American market (I'm based in the UK) and decided to shoot Ex1 & HDCAM PAL because of possible interview lighting issues. I had the completed programme converted to NTSC on a top end broadcast Snell & Wilcox Alchemist. Suprisingly the cost of transfer was not that high and the results compared to normal NTSC broadcast output are stunning.

As that won't really affect me I'll run some tests when I get all my kit together. It looks like I can convert in Vegas Pro.

July 11th, 2009, 04:10 AM	#1
Dave Tyrer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 174	Settings in UK What settings are you using in the UK ? PAL, NTSC, 30P, 24P, 25P, etc ?

July 11th, 2009, 05:33 AM	#4
Vincent Oliver Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chislehurst, London Posts: 1,724	Generally PAL is your best choice. However, if your doing clips for the web then NTSC or PAL will be fine. Most DVD players today will also play NTSC format DVDs. I have just completed a DVD project in NTSC and it looks fine. __________________ Eyes are a deaf man’s ears. Ears are a blind man’s eyes

July 11th, 2009, 09:03 AM	#7
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	One of the most important reason to use "PAL area" when shooting in EU is that it offers shutter speeds and framerates that will not interfere with various kind of artificial lighting, operating at 50 Hz. Using 24p, 30p or 60i in a 50 Hz land can lead to serious problems in the picture! __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive Last edited by Piotr Wozniacki; July 12th, 2009 at 02:00 AM.

July 12th, 2009, 11:46 AM	#13
Mitchell Skurnik Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, California Posts: 201	I have always wondered what would happen if I take a US camera and film in the UK or other PAL country. If it is intended for a US audience I guess you still need to set the camera to 50Hz or as you said you get flickering video __________________ Mitchell J. Skurnik http://www.mjcsstudios.com/ - EX1, 4x hoodman 16GB, Libec Tripod, Sony LAV

July 11th, 2009, 04:14 AM	#2
Brian Rigler New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poole Dorset England Posts: 22	pal 50p inthe uk

July 11th, 2009, 04:50 AM	#3
Nick Wilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northampton, UK Posts: 259	Set the country to 'PAL Area', then use whichever of the available video formats suits your project best.

July 11th, 2009, 08:39 AM	#6
Dave Tyrer Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 174	The reason for me asking is that from the footage I saw on Doug Jensen's DVD the HQ1080 30p setting looked the best, but this was in NTSC only. PAL was 25P and didn't look as good IMHO. Is any conversion necessary if I settled on using that format?

July 12th, 2009, 01:58 AM	#9
David Heath Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,699	Note that the EX does NOT shoot PAL (or NTSC) - the settings are "PAL area" or "NTSC area" - note the word "area". PAL and NTSC are terms that only apply to Standard Definition TV. It would be less confusing to talk about "50Hz areas" and "60Hz areas". That's what the differences are - frame rates based on either 50 or 60Hz. Where PAL/NTSC may be relevant is if you downconvert to SD, 60Hz HD will more naturally downconvert to NTSC, 50Hz HD to PAL. Unless you know a substantial market for your work will be in an NTSC area, if you live in the UK it's best to stick to 50Hz based framerates.

July 12th, 2009, 08:17 AM	#10
Les Nagy Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: A Canadian in Canada, and sometimes Chile Posts: 265	If you want to distribute your footage in NA exclusively and there is any artificial lighting involved, this is a quote from a thread I started when I returned from Chile: "The best results seem to be to shoot with flicker reduction on and set to 60Hz and the shutter at 50Hz. All of this while shooting at NTSC 1080 30P, my preferred shooting format. I detect no flicker with these settings." If you don't care to distribute the footage for NA television consumption, then just set the camera to PAL area as suggested.

July 12th, 2009, 12:07 PM	#14
Bruce Rawlings Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 410	I have just produced a SD-DVD aimed at the American market (I'm based in the UK) and decided to shoot Ex1 & HDCAM PAL because of possible interview lighting issues. I had the completed programme converted to NTSC on a top end broadcast Snell & Wilcox Alchemist. Suprisingly the cost of transfer was not that high and the results compared to normal NTSC broadcast output are stunning.