EX1R and PMW350 First Details at DVinfo.net

Tom Daigon · October 19th, 2009, 11:57 PM

Sony's offical site on the new EX350 and EX1R
http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Show...=1166605171707

Steve Shovlar · October 20th, 2009, 01:54 AM

Very interesting. No pricing as yet today?

The new SxS cards sound the same thing as the cheaper P2 cards. Work the same but limited lifespan. Hopefully they won't have a built in timer to automatically "turn off" after 5 years regardless of how much they have been used.

Greg Boston · October 20th, 2009, 02:07 AM

Steve,

The Sony meeting I was a part of said the new cards will have about 1/10 the read/write life of the regular SxS cards.

The pricing I got was about 20K USD for the body with the newly designed Fujinon lens and right at 18.5K USD for a kit without lens. In either case, the unit is supplied with viewfinder and microphone. It's the same stereo mic that came with the other 3xx disc based cameras.

-gb-

Steve Shovlar · October 20th, 2009, 02:18 AM

$20,000 with lens and viewfinder, ready to go, is a bargain. Factor in street pricing and we could take another $2000 off that price.

Greg Boston · October 20th, 2009, 02:26 AM

Agreed Steve, it is the 'mid-priced' camera many users have been asking for.

-gb-

Steve Shovlar · October 20th, 2009, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

Agreed Steve, it is the 'mid-priced' camera many users have been asking for.

-gb-

2/3rd inch chips. Will be superb in low light. Shame it's not 4:2.2 50Mbs but a Nano can sort that one.

You are right its designed to fill a large hole in the market.

Damian Heffernan · October 20th, 2009, 06:35 AM

Like to know two things:
when will it be available to buy and will it be the same price as the EX1 on release with a reduction in the price of "old" ex1's.

Christian Magnussen · October 20th, 2009, 07:13 AM

Looks quite good, but CMOS and 4:2:0. If it's a HD "replacement" or HD companion for the DSR450/570, how will it perform in news shooting....when about all the stills guys fires of their flashes?

Ofcourse 4:2:0 can be solved with a nano flash at the back, but that's one more thing to go wrong in the field...to be a bit picky.

What's also interesting now is how Panasonic see the cmos use, will they respond with CMOS in any higher priced camera than the Hpx300?

Greg Boston · October 20th, 2009, 07:23 AM

You can't seriously think they would put the 50mb 4:2:2 codec on this camera? That's reserved for the higher end XDCAM line. I think the Nanoflash or equivalent is a good way around that problem.

As for news gathering, I don't think this is the market the PMW-350 is aimed at. Not that it won't be used for that purpose by someone. It would have the benefit of reaching into the darkness with those 2/3 CMOS chips and pulling out a decent image.

-gb-

Mike Marriage · October 20th, 2009, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

You can't seriously think they would put the 50mb 4:2:2 codec on this camera?

No, not from Sony! Excluding the 4:2:2 codec is clearly a business decision rather than a technical limitation. I can see why they've done it but I think it is a real shame. I think it means they will just sell a load of these cameras and give away potential market to the Nano Flash. If they added 4:2:2 as a £500 add on, they could squeeze a fair bit more in profit from this camera.

Christian Magnussen · October 20th, 2009, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

You can't seriously think they would put the 50mb 4:2:2 codec on this camera? That's reserved for the higher end XDCAM line. I think the Nanoflash or equivalent is a good way around that problem.

As for news gathering, I don't think this is the market the PMW-350 is aimed at. Not that it won't be used for that purpose by someone. It would have the benefit of reaching into the darkness with those 2/3 CMOS chips and pulling out a decent image.

-gb-

Well, we just have to wait and see what Panasonic does...if the Avc-i on a 8 grand 1/3" is any direction they aim for I suspect 4:2:2 10bit all over their P2 range at some point.

Actually I was a bit surprised that the PMW-350 futured 2/3" chips, not 1/2". Very nice to get the performance needed in low light over 1/2" and 1/3". And even more surprised they included a lens with autofocus...

Mitchell Skurnik · October 20th, 2009, 11:31 AM

Sony Product Detail Page - PMWEX1R
I love it when people hide things on websites :)

Quote:

The XDCAM EX PMW-EX1R is the direct successor to Sony’s first entry into memory recording – the PMW-EX1. The PMW-EX1R features a range of ergonomic enhancements of the EX1, including an improved hand grip, a one-push S & Q switch and a one-push Auto Iris button. Other enhancements include SD recording in DVCAM, a Cache Recording Function, an Image Inversion Function and an IR remote control receptor on the rear of the camcorder’s handle allowing remote control from both the front and the rear of the camcorder. The PMW-EX1R utilizes three 1/2-inch type Exmor™ CMOS sensors, each with an effective pixel count of 1920 (H) x 1080 (V). This technology delivers superior picture performance with full-HD resolution and allows the camcorder to provide an excellent sensitivity of F10 and a remarkable signal-to-noise ratio of 54dB. The PMW-EX1R produces truly exceptional images in 1080p, 720p and 1080i HD. The PMW-EX1R is equipped with a high-quality, high-definition Fujinon 14x zoom lens specifically designed to offer optimum picture performance and unprecedented functionality. The full Sony XDCAM EX line-up provides stunning HD picture quality and efficient nonlinear operation, expanding the creative possibilities in every type of HD video production.

Warren Kawamoto · October 20th, 2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Magnussen

how will it perform in news shooting....when about all the stills guys fires of their flashes?

I read somewhere that the new clipbrowser will have a tool to take care of those half screen flashes. Can someone confirm this?

Yuri Martins Galliett · October 20th, 2009, 02:53 PM

Warren Kawamoto:

Taken from XDCAM-USER.com

"Talking of lightning and flashes, there will be a new version of the Clip Browser software with the ability to automatically correct partial frame exposure or “flash bands” caused by strobe lights."

Greg Boston · October 20th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Kawamoto

I read somewhere that the new clipbrowser will have a tool to take care of those half screen flashes. Can someone confirm this?

Yes, that is true. Sony have elected to address the problem outside the camera at this point.

-gb-

October 19th, 2009, 11:57 PM	#1
Tom Daigon Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 170	EX1R and PMW350 First Details Sony's offical site on the new EX350 and EX1R http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Show...=1166605171707

October 20th, 2009, 02:53 PM	#14
Yuri Martins Galliett New Boot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 6	Warren Kawamoto: Taken from XDCAM-USER.com "Talking of lightning and flashes, there will be a new version of the Clip Browser software with the ability to automatically correct partial frame exposure or “flash bands” caused by strobe lights." Attached Thumbnails

October 20th, 2009, 01:54 AM	#2
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Very interesting. No pricing as yet today? The new SxS cards sound the same thing as the cheaper P2 cards. Work the same but limited lifespan. Hopefully they won't have a built in timer to automatically "turn off" after 5 years regardless of how much they have been used.

October 20th, 2009, 02:07 AM	#3
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Steve, The Sony meeting I was a part of said the new cards will have about 1/10 the read/write life of the regular SxS cards. The pricing I got was about 20K USD for the body with the newly designed Fujinon lens and right at 18.5K USD for a kit without lens. In either case, the unit is supplied with viewfinder and microphone. It's the same stereo mic that came with the other 3xx disc based cameras. -gb-

October 20th, 2009, 02:18 AM	#4
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	$20,000 with lens and viewfinder, ready to go, is a bargain. Factor in street pricing and we could take another $2000 off that price.

October 20th, 2009, 02:26 AM	#5
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Agreed Steve, it is the 'mid-priced' camera many users have been asking for. -gb-

October 20th, 2009, 06:35 AM	#7
Damian Heffernan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: c Australia Posts: 234	Like to know two things: when will it be available to buy and will it be the same price as the EX1 on release with a reduction in the price of "old" ex1's.

October 20th, 2009, 07:13 AM	#8
Christian Magnussen Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 191	Looks quite good, but CMOS and 4:2:0. If it's a HD "replacement" or HD companion for the DSR450/570, how will it perform in news shooting....when about all the stills guys fires of their flashes? Ofcourse 4:2:0 can be solved with a nano flash at the back, but that's one more thing to go wrong in the field...to be a bit picky. What's also interesting now is how Panasonic see the cmos use, will they respond with CMOS in any higher priced camera than the Hpx300?

October 20th, 2009, 07:23 AM	#9
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	You can't seriously think they would put the 50mb 4:2:2 codec on this camera? That's reserved for the higher end XDCAM line. I think the Nanoflash or equivalent is a good way around that problem. As for news gathering, I don't think this is the market the PMW-350 is aimed at. Not that it won't be used for that purpose by someone. It would have the benefit of reaching into the darkness with those 2/3 CMOS chips and pulling out a decent image. -gb-