| Markus Klatt |
February 5th, 2010 02:58 AM |
Here is what I copied after reading the sticky thread completely a few days ago. This may not be everything what is important for everybody, but this is, what was important for me. This is not sorted, cleaned or well presented - just collecting infos.
Enjoy.
Quote:
Doug Jensens Training video:
Matrix ON -High Sat, Level 3, Phase and r-g=0
Gamma CINE4
Black -3
Black Gamma -2
Low Key SAT = 0
Detail OFF
-3db gain
Other items not mentioned were off or default
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Bill Ravens Picture profile Recipe TC2
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post815954
Matrix ...............on
Select................hisat
Level..................0
Phase.................-5
R-G...................75
R-B...................0
G-R...................-18
G-B...................-32
B-R...................-27
B-G...................13
Gamma Level..............-40
Gamma Select.............CINE1
Black..........................-12
Black Gamma..............0
I dropped the CINE1 gamma levels from 0 to -40 to get the middle gray values at 50% IRE on the WFM. The STD3 profile was much closer. I had to drop the LEVELS to -15 to get middle gray at 50%. I was set at a fixed f/4.0 and 1/60 sec exposure for my tests. Knowing that, if one stays with the CINE1 preset, my recommendation is that you experiment with different GAMMA LEVELS, varying between 0 and -40, depending on what suits you for varying light conditions.
The other CINE presets were quite surprising at how MUCH they stretched the blacks and compressed the hi-lights. Having seen that, I doubt I'll use them much.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post819353
Gamma Level.............. 0 (changed from -40)
this will probaby help the crushed blacks. I noticed the blacks were a bit crushed in your last -40 gamma setting. Well, at least in low light.
You lose a little dynamic range, but, it takes less CCing in post. And selecting a CINE1, 3,or 4 setting, depending on how much black stretch you want/need.
Once again, please set your white balance before using.
--> Bill, thanks so much for the profile, it looks pretty good. Especially outside since I had a nice sunny day
--> Bill your settings seem to give the best image I have seen so far!
--> This seems to work good in bright light.
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Doug Jensen settings for EX1
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post976293
MATRIX:
SETTING: ON
SELECT: HIGH SAT
LEVEL: 0
PHASE: 0
R-G: 0
R-B: 0
G-R: 0
G-B: 0
B-R: 0
B-G: 0
COLOR CORRECTION:
SETTING: OFF
AREA DETECTION
AREA INDICATION: OFF
TARGET PHASE: 130
TARGET WIDTH: 40
LEVEL: 0
WHITE:
OFFSET WHITE: OFF
OFFSET: 0
OFFSET: 0
OFFSET: 0
PRESET WHITE: 5600
DETAIL:
SETTING: ON
LEVEL: 0
FREQUENCY: 0
CRISPENING: 0
H/V RATIO: 0
WHITE LIMITER: 0
BLACK LIMITER: 0
V DTL CREATION: Y
KNEE APT LEVEL: 0
SKIN TONE DETAIL:
SETTING: OFF
LEVE: 0
AREA DETECTION
AREA INDICATION: OFF
SATURATION: 0
PHASE: 130
WIDTH: 40
KNEE:
NOTHING
GAMMA:
LEVEL: 0
SELECT: CINE4
BLACK: -3
BLACK GAMMA: -2
LOW KEY SAT: 0
Conclusion:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1031801
I've changed it slightly by setting BLACK to -2. No big deal. :)
MATRIX: HIGH SAT
PRESET WHITE: (what ever you want it to be for your shooting conditions)
GAMMA: CINE4
BLACK: -3
BLACK GAMMA: -2
Bill 1 Jahr earlier:
I still use a mix of TC2 with Black around -8. I prefer STD1 because it gives me the best latitude in post. If the scene is outdoors, in sunlight, STD1 blows out easily and I switch to Cine1 or cine4.
I'm experimenting with a CINEMA setting instead of HISAT. New color matrix.
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Thomas William Alexander
Indoor preset
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post969865
I put Gamma level at -40 and CIN setting to CIN2.
With light less then 60W you might want to set the CIN setting to CIN3.
Matrix = Cinema
Level -40
Phase +20
RG -30
RB +30
GR +75
GB -60
BR +99
BG +80
White = 2900
Skin tone = Off
Black -20
Black Gamma -30
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IMPORTANT NOTICES regarding details:
Simon Wyndham
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post984986
For a filmic look you can turn the detail off, but this doesn't help very much with the EX series because unlike cameras such as the F900 you cannot turn the detail off while leaving the Aperture correction on.
On most of Sony's full size cameras you can do this. Turning the detail off gets rid of edge enhancement across the board. But by tuning the Aperture (high frequency) detail you can get really fine adjustments that can mimic different film types much more closely.
This is not possible with the EX series of cameras though because they only have a broad detail adjustment with no separate Aperture Correction adjustment.
For this reason I would not recommend turning the detail totally off on the EX cameras. Instead I would suggest reducing the detail, for example to -20, and then adjusting the Frequency setting to, for example +40. The Frequency setting adjusts the coarseness, or width, of the edge enhancement. The higher the setting the finer and more subtle the effect is.
So it is possible to keep the edge enhancement but stop it from being intrusive. For documentary you may want slightly more enhancement than you would for a 'filmic' style. Turning the detail off can make things look a little too '8mm cine camera' to me.
One other tip I can give is that for low light shots with the gain kicked and shadow areas, you may want to experiment with the crispening function. This function is also useful when used in conjunction with the detail adjustment as it will not only allow you to fine tune the detail enhancement to avoid enhancing the noise, but it will also allow you to further fine tune the parts of the picture you would like enhanced of those that you do not.
Comment by Bill Ravens:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post954980
As far as color goes, DETAIL doesn't matter. Use it at your discretion. The contemporary knowledge is that DETAIL ON/LEVEL 0 adds sharpening. DETAIL OFF and LEVEL-40 is approximately no sharpening.
Comment by Bill Ravens:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post985117
My issue with DETAIL ON is one few people will admit to. With detail on, as you point out, Tom, halos begin to form. No matter how much you suppress the halos, they're still part of the image. Essentially, this is mosquito noise which pushes the compression algorithms in the camera encoder really hard. Encoding halos sucks up bandwidth that would otherwise be available for image information. All this is most apparent when downrezzing to DV resolutions in line twitter and image softness.
And so, I'm experimenting to see what happens with Detail ON at -20 to -40, which is for all intents and purposes, OFF; and frequency turned up as Symon suggests
Answer by Alister Chapman:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post985655
I normally run detail at -10 or -15 with frequency at +40 and crispening at -10. If shooting in low light I have detail at -25 and crispening at +40 which helps reduce overall noise when using gain
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Bill Ravens Latest "True Color"
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...tml#post954984
MATRIX ON
SELECT HISAT
LEVEL 0
PHASE -5
R-G +75
R-B 0
G-R -18
G-B -32
B-R -27
B-G +13
OFFSET WHITE OFF
DETAIL ON
GAMMA LEVEL 0
GAMMA SELECT CINE 1/3/4
BLACK -4
BLACK GAMMA 0
SKIN TONE DETAIL OFF
LOW KEY SAT 0
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Check out post #120 on page 8 and download Bill Ravens recipes. Move them onto your sxs card (after renaming Bills file as he outlines) and import them onto your EX1 per the manual (page79 Retrieving the set Up File).
Then check out post #262 for the key details on how to use them. Oh yes, and remember to white balance and always wear clean underwear :)
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http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1474850
Alister Chapman Detail PMW350:
All other settings are default, except Gamma HG 4.
Detail Level -16
H/V Ratio +20
Frequency +35
White Limit +35
Black Limit +20
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Oliver Neubert
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1455035
I do a lot of contemporary dance videos. horrible contrast range for video, hot spotlights, dark curtains and a lot of action in the dark parts of the stage.
I use 2-3 cameras all set to the following setting which I call CINEflat:
0 dB
if possible -3 if absolutely necessary +6 (but never ever more than that)
Matrix on
select Cinema
Level / Phase / R-G all 0
CC off
Offset White off
preset white 3200 (although on stages with modern lights or rock concerts I shoot with 5600)
Gamma Level 0
Select: Cine4
Black Gamma + 25 !!
It is quite a simple profile, but I am happy with the results.
Aperture -30
I found that using +25 in the black gamma gives me the steps in the blacks that I need. (Dark scenes with dancers wearing black in front of a black curtain...) If I wish to crush the black later I still can in post, but if I record it crushed it I can't get the definition back without running into serious noise issues.
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EX1R: SD
Alister Chapman
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1479470
I did some work on picture profiles for SD on the EX1R. This profile was designed to match an older 2/3" SD cameras:
Matrix; cinema, level +8
SD Detail Level +25, Frequency -65, crispening +10, White limit +50, black limit +55
Knee 90, Gamma: Std 2 level +5, Black Gamma +10
This profile gives some very hard detail correction, but the idea is to mimic an older SD camera that would also have similar strong detail correction. If the detail level is too high for your tastes reduce it to +8. If you would like more colour raise the Matrix level to +20 to +30.
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