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John Peterson May 30th, 2010 07:54 AM

Will Tiffen T1 filter reduce CA from stage lighting?
 
Haven't used the T1 on my EX1 yet, but was wondering if it will help reduce the CA that occurs around the edges of stage lit actors and objects. Have a shoot in two weeks.

Thanks,

John

Andrew Stone May 30th, 2010 08:51 AM

Hi John,

Chromatic aberration will not be brought down with the TIFFEN T1 IR filter.

It could be a list of things playing into it.

First thing I would test is using Oliver Neubert's picture profile shown on this page (show's right now as post #506). Second thing that could be playing into it is your aperture. Oliver's picture profile should help out in allowing you to get in the right aperture range/speed setting.

I've used his picture profile on a few "stage" shoots and it has worked really well. Thanks Oliver!

One thing I will mention about Oliver's profile is the tonal range does gets crammed up a bit. The image is usable as is. However, to get the full benefit of his profile you will want to spread out the tonal values with some grading/color correction.

Failing that you should test out a picture profile using the Std 4 gamma as opposed to one of the CINE gammas and invoke the knee to bring the whites down.

Hope it works out.

-Andrew

Bob Grant May 31st, 2010 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Peterson (Post 1533042)
Haven't used the T1 on my EX1 yet, but was wondering if it will help reduce the CA that occurs around the edges of stage lit actors and objects. Have a shoot in two weeks.

Thanks,

John

It might. Some tests have shown that the IR bleed can appear as something similar to CA.
Personally I'm sticking with using the 486 rather than the T1 for stage shows. I'm never wide enough shooting a stage show for the slight green vignette to be an issue and the light loss through the T1 and the uncorrectable caste it creates is a real problem.

John Peterson June 1st, 2010 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Stone (Post 1533059)
Hi John,

Chromatic aberration will not be brought down with the TIFFEN T1 IR filter.

It could be a list of things playing into it.

First thing I would test is using Oliver Neubert's picture profile shown on this page (show's right now as post #506). Second thing that could be playing into it is your aperture. Oliver's picture profile should help out in allowing you to get in the right aperture range/speed setting.

I've used his picture profile on a few "stage" shoots and it has worked really well. Thanks Oliver!

One thing I will mention about Oliver's profile is the tonal range does gets crammed up a bit. The image is usable as is. However, to get the full benefit of his profile you will want to spread out the tonal values with some grading/color correction.

Failing that you should test out a picture profile using the Std 4 gamma as opposed to one of the CINE gammas and invoke the knee to bring the whites down.

Hope it works out.

-Andrew

Thanks Andrew,

I am already using STd 4 Gamma, but will try that PP.

John

John Peterson June 1st, 2010 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Grant (Post 1533327)
It might. Some tests have shown that the IR bleed can appear as something similar to CA.
Personally I'm sticking with using the 486 rather than the T1 for stage shows. I'm never wide enough shooting a stage show for the slight green vignette to be an issue and the light loss through the T1 and the uncorrectable caste it creates is a real problem.

I assume you mean a "green" caste. Not good. Didn't realize it couldn't be corrected.

Thanks,

John

Duncan Craig June 1st, 2010 04:16 PM

Can anyone confirm that the T1 77mm screw-in is only available as a thin filter, thin enough to go under the lens hood of an EX1.

I've looked for a website reference to different types of the T1 and I can't see different types.

Cheers folks, Duncan.

Andrew Stone June 1st, 2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Peterson (Post 1533712)
I assume you mean a "green" caste. Not good. Didn't realize it couldn't be corrected.

You will not find unanimity on this point. Some argue a solid white balance gets rid of the green cast (there are at least a couple of threads on this issue). I am going to be using it within the next week and doing some tests over the next few days.

Leonard Levy June 1st, 2010 10:24 PM

I have a 77mm T1 . It is not a "thin " filter but a normal one with threads on both sides and it does fit behind the EX-1 hood as do most normal 77mm filters. "Thin's" are not neccessary.
Re the 486 - except for the vignetting it is a better solution however I don't think there is any way to remove the green vignette in post that I know of.

Duncan Craig June 2nd, 2010 02:16 AM

Thanks Leonard,

I've got a Schneider thin daylight clear filter in already, but I'll ditch that and try a T1.

Cheers, Duncan.

John Peterson June 2nd, 2010 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Stone (Post 1533795)
You will not find unanimity on this point. Some argue a solid white balance gets rid of the green cast (there are at least a couple of threads on this issue). I am going to be using it within the next week and doing some tests over the next few days.

A solid white balance doesn't work very well under stage lighting because of the constant changes. I have always used a "tungsten" setting.

Thanks,

John


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