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Jim Stamos · July 12th, 2012, 11:30 PM

just finished a short 35minute film but shot it in hd, wished i had done 24p though. i did some test shots and for some reasin my samsung hd monitor doesnt show the 24p look. im guessing that the ex1r 24p mimics a film look well?
if i shoot in 24p , would i seen that filmlook on the dvd i burn on my hd tv?

Koravik Rakpetchmanee · July 12th, 2012, 11:55 PM

Hi,
I might not answer your question correctly but it might help.

The motion flow or blur function will increase the smoothness of the scenes so make sure that it is off.

I turn it on when watching soccer or sport only.

However, there are many factors to make the footage look like film. If you want 24p look, it is about the motion blur but doest not definitely make the footage look like film.

Cheers

Jack Zhang · July 13th, 2012, 12:00 AM

The EX1R when playing back will always by default output 1080i60 with telecine. To view in progressive, you either have to burn a disc with 24p or use a SDI to HDMI adapter that can convert 1080 24PsF to 1080p24 to view on a monitor with native refresh rates. HDMI will always output 1080i60 with a telecine.

You must turn off Frame Interpolation on your set to notice the correct cadence for a 24p look, otherwise your TV interpolating frames will exhibit something known as "The Soap Opera Effect."

Jim Stamos · July 13th, 2012, 11:45 AM

where is this motion blur function in menu that i turn off?

Alister Chapman · July 14th, 2012, 01:23 AM

There is much more to the film look than frame rate alone. It is a combination of many factors. Technical factors include frame rate, image sharpness and sharpening, dynamic range, noise, highlight handling and colorimetry. Aesthetic factors include depth of field, lighting and framing.

Simply changing the frame rate won't instantly create a filmic look. If there isn't a lot of motion in the footage it may be near impossible to see any difference.

In my opinion image sharpness and highlight handling (combined with appropriate exposure) are more significant than frame rate.

Chuck Fishbein · July 14th, 2012, 08:17 PM

I agree with Alister that it goes much further than the science of engineering. Lighting, camera movement and tasteful composition will add to a film look as much as, if not more than a 24p frame rate.

If all of those have been incorporated in your project, there are still several techniques available to change the look of your 60i film to be more filmic, such as de-interlacing, applying color "looks" such as those in Magic Bullet, Tiffen or Sapphire effects, adding grain patterns and outputting as a progressive file.

July 12th, 2012, 11:30 PM	#1
Jim Stamos Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 563	ex1r 24p look just finished a short 35minute film but shot it in hd, wished i had done 24p though. i did some test shots and for some reasin my samsung hd monitor doesnt show the 24p look. im guessing that the ex1r 24p mimics a film look well? if i shoot in 24p , would i seen that filmlook on the dvd i burn on my hd tv?

July 12th, 2012, 11:55 PM	#2
Koravik Rakpetchmanee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Melbourne Posts: 37	Re: ex1r 24p look Hi, I might not answer your question correctly but it might help. The motion flow or blur function will increase the smoothness of the scenes so make sure that it is off. I turn it on when watching soccer or sport only. However, there are many factors to make the footage look like film. If you want 24p look, it is about the motion blur but doest not definitely make the footage look like film. Cheers

July 13th, 2012, 12:00 AM	#3
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: ex1r 24p look The EX1R when playing back will always by default output 1080i60 with telecine. To view in progressive, you either have to burn a disc with 24p or use a SDI to HDMI adapter that can convert 1080 24PsF to 1080p24 to view on a monitor with native refresh rates. HDMI will always output 1080i60 with a telecine. You must turn off Frame Interpolation on your set to notice the correct cadence for a 24p look, otherwise your TV interpolating frames will exhibit something known as "The Soap Opera Effect."

July 13th, 2012, 11:45 AM	#4
Jim Stamos Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 563	Re: ex1r 24p look where is this motion blur function in menu that i turn off?

July 14th, 2012, 01:23 AM	#5
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Re: ex1r 24p look There is much more to the film look than frame rate alone. It is a combination of many factors. Technical factors include frame rate, image sharpness and sharpening, dynamic range, noise, highlight handling and colorimetry. Aesthetic factors include depth of field, lighting and framing. Simply changing the frame rate won't instantly create a filmic look. If there isn't a lot of motion in the footage it may be near impossible to see any difference. In my opinion image sharpness and highlight handling (combined with appropriate exposure) are more significant than frame rate. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

July 14th, 2012, 08:17 PM	#6
Chuck Fishbein Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Weehawken New Jersey Posts: 210	Re: ex1r 24p look I agree with Alister that it goes much further than the science of engineering. Lighting, camera movement and tasteful composition will add to a film look as much as, if not more than a 24p frame rate. If all of those have been incorporated in your project, there are still several techniques available to change the look of your 60i film to be more filmic, such as de-interlacing, applying color "looks" such as those in Magic Bullet, Tiffen or Sapphire effects, adding grain patterns and outputting as a progressive file.