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Old September 12th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #151
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I didn't spot any aliasing when I used it and I wouldn't expect there to be any significant aliasing as it uses the same sensors as the EX1R and aliasing and moire are very well controlled on the EX1R/EX3.
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Old September 12th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #152
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He mentions an aliasing problem, I wonder if this will be an issue. Is there much aliasing on the EX1 / EX1R?
I don't hear him say that - have you got a time reference into the video?

It's true that any camcorder will likely have *SOME* aliasing - the questions are how much and whether it's coloured or monochrome.

The biggest problem is when it's coloured - and that's been the case with most DSLRs in the past.

A 3 chip camera, with chips of the system resolution (1920x1080) is likely to be as good as it gets - and likely to be better than any single chip camera. The design decision to be made is how to balance aliasing versus absolute sharpness via the characteristics of the lo-pass filter.

Simple answer is that there is likely to be a little, but monochrome and negligible compared to such as DSLRs. Don't see it being an issue.
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Old September 13th, 2012, 10:56 AM   #153
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Alister - thanks so much for your YouTube review of the PMW-200. It was very informative. I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of one later this month. Have you posted any picture profiles for this camera yet, or is it close enough to the EX-1 to use the same profiles ? I prefer increased color saturation and sharpness over most standard factory settings.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 08:33 AM   #154
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You can use XQD for UDF and this is cheaper than SxS.

Of course you can always continue to use the camera in FAT mode with 35Mb/s 420 for everyday non broadcast projects with SD cards and just switch up to XQD and SxS when you need 422 and UDF. You'll still have the benefits of the slightly improved picture quality either way.
Just to confirm I can use the XQD cards H or S and still keep the 50Mb/s rate?

XQD are half the price of the SxS. Do you need any adaptors when using the XQD cards?
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Old September 17th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #155
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Yes you can use XQD cards, both H and S, but you will need a matching XQD to express card adapter (Sony QDA-EX1).

No picture profiles for the PMW-200 yet. Still working on them. I wouldn't increase the detail settings above default. Your not increasing resolution, only edge contrast and excessive sharpening can look very nasty if the viewer also has the sharpening on the TV or monitor set high or you do any post work where you increase contrast.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #156
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Yes you can use XQD cards, both H and S, but you will need a matching XQD to express card adapter (Sony QDA-EX1).

No picture profiles for the PMW-200 yet. Still working on them. I wouldn't increase the detail settings above default. Your not increasing resolution, only edge contrast and excessive sharpening can look very nasty if the viewer also has the sharpening on the TV or monitor set high or you do any post work where you increase contrast.
Hi Alister, I sent you an email via your profile message address did you get it by any chance?

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Old September 24th, 2012, 04:14 PM   #157
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In stock at B&H.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 08:08 AM   #158
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In stock at B&H.
Good price compared to the UK - Though is there 8% tax on that price?

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About $2000 more expensive than the UK price, would be worth a holiday to NYC for that!
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Old September 25th, 2012, 03:35 PM   #159
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My PMW-200 is shipping today from Omega Broadcasting in Austin, TX. I would highly recommend them, although I also think B&H is great to work with. Both Omega and B&H are DVInfo.net sponsors, as most of you already know. I'll post more as I get some experience with this camera.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #160
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My PMW-200 is shipping today from Omega Broadcasting in Austin, TX. I would highly recommend them, although I also think B&H is great to work with. Both Omega and B&H are DVInfo.net sponsors, as most of you already know. I'll post more as I get some experience with this camera.
Can you post some test footage at full rate? I'd like to see how my laptop handles it with effects and a filters applied.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #161
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My PMW-200 is shipping today from Omega Broadcasting in Austin, TX. I would highly recommend them, although I also think B&H is great to work with. Both Omega and B&H are DVInfo.net sponsors, as most of you already know. I'll post more as I get some experience with this camera.
Want to hear first if it has good slow zoom. Thanks.
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Old October 1st, 2012, 12:20 PM   #162
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I will try to get some raw footage up soon, and will try the slow zoom. Here is a PDF of my initial impressions regarding the camera design - no footage shot yet.
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Old October 1st, 2012, 12:44 PM   #163
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I will try to get some raw footage up soon, and will try the slow zoom. Here is a PDF of my initial impressions regarding the camera design - no footage shot yet.
Interesting - Looking forward to seeing the footage
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Old October 1st, 2012, 02:31 PM   #164
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@Mark-

In regards to your comparison,
it has been documented that the EX1 lens (therefore the PMW-200 as well) when at full telephoto, is at f/2.8, even though it still displays f/1.9. Also, the HPX at full telephoto is at f/3.0, not f/2.8 as stated, according to Panasonic's specs.

My PMW-200 should arrive this week.

I currently shoot on an HMC-150, which has the same "front end" as the HPX170.

It's discouraging to read that Mark thought the PMW200's viewfinder isn't as good as the HPX170's.
I dislike the HMC150's viewfinder (which is the same as the HPX170). I think it's too small and low res.
The best I've seen on a handheld camera is on the Canon XF300/305 series.

I'm going to put the PMW-200 through it's paces next weekend and see how it compares to my HMC150. I'm sure it'll be better, but will it be $4000 better?
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Old October 1st, 2012, 03:34 PM   #165
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If it's the same as the EX1R viewfinder, you may encounter something known as "The Rainbow Effect." There is no way to adjust the saturation, but you can adjust the backlight of the EVF to be brighter.

Did you use the BP-U30 battery when you made your balance assessment, Mark? The same could be said for the EX1R being front heavy. I remember that the optimum balance for the camera is with a BP-U60 battery from Alister's review.
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