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Old September 14th, 2016, 11:17 AM   #1
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Replacement for PMW-300?

I am wondering if a 4K version of this camera will ever be released, or if the FS7 has effectively already replaced it. Thoughts?
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Old September 15th, 2016, 07:28 PM   #2
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

The FS7 can't replace the PMW300 because it has a huge sensor. The replacement for the PMW300 will have to have a sensor sized like the PMW300! Sony, are you listening?
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Old September 16th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #3
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

At 1/2'', the laws of physics can't possibly produce a decent 4K image. At 2/3'', maybe... but they won't fit a 2/3'' sensor in the form factor of the PMW-300. Their 1'' sensor is a good balance, but right now their recording backend is crap. Panasonic for all we know is using the same sensor as the Z150 and putting 4K60p to good use.

Fujinon will have to make a 1'' lens for Sony cause Sony ain't touching the MFT 4/3'' market that Panasonic dominates in.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #4
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

One nice thing about the laws of physics is that the Japanese are really good at working around them. Problem is that with the miniscule market for such a camera (wildlife videographers) they have no incentive.
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Old September 16th, 2016, 06:05 PM   #5
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

I am not a wildlife videographer; but I do use my 300 for a variety of different jobs. Love everything about it except for the lack of 4K. I have two other cameras (GY-LS300 and GH4) that have large(er) sensors, though neither is in the class of the FS7. I have noticed FS7's on multi camera shoots lately, so obviously the big sensor isn't that much of a limiting factor for that camera. I know also that the FS7 has a great reputation, and seems to have become an industry standard for medium budget professionals. If money wasn't a concern, I would probably buy one.
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Old September 26th, 2016, 11:28 AM   #6
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

So a Z150 sensor type camera in a PMW-300 form factor perhaps? I tried out the Z150 at a demo and liked it a lot, except that low light sensitivity was definitely lacking. Still, it seemed to gain up pretty cleanly, up to 9 or possibly 12db. The lens on the Z-150 is lacking compared to the 300, but it would be nice to have 18X instead of 14X. I don't usually have a need to use anything but the stock PMW-300 lens.

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Old September 27th, 2016, 12:20 AM   #7
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

interesting putting a z150 up against a 300. i'm vaguely thinking of upgrading my trusty old ex1, not that i'm really into 4k (yet), nor have to deal with low light (thank goodness)...

so, is the general consensus that the z150 would give me a significant boost in picture quality over an ex1, bearing in mind it's price is pretty much in my budget range?
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Old September 27th, 2016, 03:09 AM   #8
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

I can't answer your question directly. There must be a few who came from the EX1 who now have a Z150 so I'm sure they can offer a more useful perspective. But I can offer this:

I came from an EX3 to a PMW-300 (and I have also had a FS5 since 2015, as well as a Canon C100 since 2012).

EX3 was identical picture quality to EX1. PMW-300 was actually a bit improved on the EX1/EX1r and EX3 (lower s/n levels were quoted at the time of launch, 60dB as I recall), I guess due to more refined/improved signal processing that Sony used in the "second generation" PMW cams. It can of course also encode in XDCAM 4.2.2 at 50Mbps (and after a later firmware update at higher Mbps using XAVC if desired) rather than the 4.2.0 35Mbps XDCAM codec.

My view is that the PMW-300 has a noticeable (but not dramatic) improvement in picture quality over my old EX3. I love it for fast paced work where you just need to "get the shot". The viewfinder arrangement is excellent.

However, although I really like my PMW-300 but it's getting used less and less now that I have a FS5. This is for all sorts of reasons - one being the very significant improvement in picture quality the FS5 can get with it's s35 sensor, small/lightweight body and interchangeable lens form factor advantages. And the 4K is just the icing on the cake.

Whilst not in the same league as the FS5, I suspect the Z150 will be a step up from the old EX1 for picture quality - but I'll let others that have owned both confirm that.
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Re: Replacement for PMW-300?

I still have my old EX1 and now a Z150 and I would say the Z150 definitely has better picture quality. But the differences between the cameras are deeper than that. You get the 10-bit XAVC codec, 4K, continuous 120 fps slow motion in full HD, and a viewfinder that can actually be used for shooting. Not to mention the fact that the Z150 costs less than 1/2 what the EX1 cost when it was new. Because it is part of the XDCAM family, the EX1 has some operational advantages over the Z150 but a lot of people won't even notice or care about that. I'd like to sell my EX1 but it's probably not worth enough to bother with now.
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