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Old September 17th, 2015, 12:53 PM   #16
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but are there new powerzoomlenses between those lenses of all manual?
If I'm correct there are now only 2 powerzoomlenes: the stocklens from the ea50 and a F4 contant aperture?
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Old September 17th, 2015, 02:02 PM   #17
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I'll be interested in that SEL2470GM if it's f/2.8 and e-mount whether it's manual zoom or not. I hope it's OSS. :)
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Old September 17th, 2015, 05:26 PM   #18
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I'll be interested in that SEL2470GM if it's f/2.8 and e-mount whether it's manual zoom or not. I hope it's OSS. :)
Same here! A 2.8 24-70 with OSS would be an ideal all round lens. Many shoots I have there's not so much time with fiddling with lens changes etc, so would be perfect.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 05:28 PM   #19
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Old September 17th, 2015, 05:29 PM   #20
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but are there new powerzoomlenses between those lenses of all manual?
If I'm correct there are now only 2 powerzoomlenes: the stocklens from the ea50 and a F4 contant aperture?
There is the Stock EA50 lens, which also comes as a kit lens with the FS700R.
And there's the 18-105 f4 and the 28-135 cine lens.

A 24-70 f2.8 would be great whether it's power zoom or not.

Sony has said they intend to expand the cine zooms/lenses as well.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #21
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Dmitri you just made my day!
But please note that I am not sure it's gonna be 2.8!!!
It's just that they already have the 28-70 f3.5-5.6 and the 24-70 f4 Zeiss. So making another f4 24-70 makes no sense. And I think a f2.8 24-70 is one of the most requested lenses for the e-mount.

What I've heard is that the 8 new lenses will be presented at some photo thing in October.
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Old September 19th, 2015, 04:18 PM   #22
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HD is very far from dead. Yes, the new formats and tech changes come at us very quickly. But on the "Joe consumer public" side old standards die slowly. The wedding guys know that more than anyone. Worldwide they shoot in HD and are still delivering in good old SD DVD. I don't know why BluRay never took off the way it should have? In American living rooms everyone has a nice HD TV, but that old DVD player is still sitting there! Streaming media is the thing that is allowing them to watch content in HD. And many people just seem to not know or care.

As videographers we are all one part technician and one part artist. Weather you need to keep up with every format change or not depends on the area you work in. If you are in broadcast the customer DOES dictate things right down to codec and frame rate. But for many of us our clients don't even know what a codec is and they don't care. My corporate clients almost NEVER ask me what I am shooting in. They just expect me to provide a quality image that is compatible with their usage. I have not had a single request for 4K yet. Yes, it will come some day, but in my world my clients don't even know what it is.

I slogged my way through all 8 pages of the thread on the FS5. If I was buying a new camera right now that would be it. But by the time I NEED to buy new cameras there will probably be something else released that will change that. As a fulltime shooter for my living I don't get caught up in all of thechie excitement over new releases. ROI is very important to me. So I am grounded in need vs want ;-)

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Old September 19th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #23
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+1 Mr. Digges. You hit the nail right on the head fair and square.

My broadcast clients all want 1080i and that's catered for by my now ancient PDW and EX cameras with their industry standard MXF MPEG-2 capability. The bulk of my corporate clients want 720p and smaller while some of my ad agency clients get their stuff shot and posted in 1080 50p which can be either AVCHD or XAVC 10-bit. Even the ad agency people who are aware of 4K don't want the extra costs involved with 4K at this point as 99% of their output is going to free to air and cable HD. As for my live streaming clients 720p has been the maximum demand.

Sure I could shoot 4K RAW on the FS700 down sampled to HD where it looks better but ultimately that's my choice if I desire to do go that route for quality sake. Or shoot 4K for post cropping and movement as there is a definite advantage in doing this in some cases. To date though no one has asked me for 4K delivery. It will come but I will wait until those market demands reach the point where I have to address those requests and when it does reach that point i will be looking for camera with 4K 50p not 25p. What I am not looking forward to though is the massive data loads involved with 4K files. XAVC-I mode QFHD 50p CBG records at 500mbps and 600mbps if you want 60p. XAVC-L at 150mbps for me is plenty big enough. Especially if it's for long form events like conferences or training courses.

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Old September 21st, 2015, 01:03 PM   #24
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Hopefully the EA50M will drop in price a lot soon and I'll pick up another.
In about a year I'll see if I need to go 4K with my main cameras and by then even better cameras will be out plus current cameras such as the FS5, FS7, or DVX200 should be less expensive.

The EA50M kit lens e-mount 18-104 G f/4 will work fine on the FS5 right?
But does it work on the FS7?
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 03:08 AM   #25
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I think you mean the 18-105 don't you? if so the answer is yes and yes. FS5 and FS7 the 8-105 works with both cameras plus it will work with the FS700 with firmware upgrade plus the A7S in crop mode.

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Old September 22nd, 2015, 07:23 AM   #26
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The EA50M kit lens e-mount 18-104 G f/4 will work fine on the FS5 right?
Yes, the 18-105 is also the kit lens for the FS5...
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 11:08 AM   #27
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oops! I meant 18-105 :)
Thank you both for the help on that.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 05:09 PM   #28
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Hey David,

My guess is the EA50 has seen its last price drop on street prices. I paid $3,700.00 for my first one the first month of release (would do it again). I paid $2,600.00 for my second one. Original MSRP was $3,900.00.

The last price drop will be a very short lived one right before it is discontinued to clear out stock on shelves. Who knows when that will be? I know I will be getting more years of service from mine. They are great cameras. I hope your enjoying yours. The 18-105 G is a big improvement over the old kit lens. But I know you followed my comparison thread so you know thats what I think.

The FS5 looks very exciting, but as stated I have no requests for 4K yet.

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Old September 22nd, 2015, 08:21 PM   #29
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Thanks Steven,

Yes I am very grateful for your EA50M thread.
Yeah I agree the last potential price drop will be the final clearing out. The EA50UH dropped to $2299 at the very end to clear out stock. I paid $3400 for mine. I am hoping the originally less expensive EA50M will do something similar and I'll pick one up to use for the next couple years and then transfer the G lens over to a future 4K camera.

Although if Sony released an A7S or FS5 in an EA50 type body I would be very tempted to go ahead and sell all my cameras for a couple of those now.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 09:01 PM   #30
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The FS5 looks very exciting, but as stated I have no requests for 4K yet.
The FS5 is foremost a stellar HD camera with a little 4K bonus.
It does 1080 HD in 10bit 422 (even at some high frame rates). 4K (UHD, not DCI) is only 8bit 420, so until the raw output is enabled, it's more of a HD than 4K camera.
But 10bit 422 is what I miss in my FS700, rather than 4K...
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