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November 28th, 2007, 05:24 PM
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Bob, I agree with the guy at the store. If you take a mic signal, put it through the superior preamps of the SD 302, then knock it back down to mic level, put it through the inferior preamps of the HV20 and record it as an MP2 file (!!??) then what have you gotten for your $1300? Extra gear to haul around and hook up. The top three reasons listed in a post above for using a mixer don't apply to you.
However, I have to agree with Martin that you'll have a fine piece of equipment in your kit to use with anything that you purchase or rent later, so if you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, go for it. But be aware that your videography is likely to suffer a bit due to the distraction until you get a handle on it. Personally, I'd go for some better mics and a standalone recorder and experiment with mic placement. If you can afford to do it all, great!
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November 28th, 2007, 05:37 PM
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November 28th, 2007, 05:41 PM
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November 28th, 2007, 05:43 PM
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After the help here from different members and investigating I use the follwing with my HV20:
Beachteck DXA2 adaptor, mixpre, Sennheiser G2 wireless, Rode NTG-2 and Sennheiser ME64. This is a good basic setup and will last for when I step up to better cam. It pretty much gives me flexibilty in any situation, solo, or with boom op. The ME64 goes on cam and is perfect for verité. If I use the beachteck in combo with mixpre then this gives me 3 channels too. The option is also there for total wirless if need be. I know the big guys dont like beachteks and whatnot, but I'm happy so far with this for my level of work. Hope thats of some help. Ben |
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November 28th, 2007, 06:02 PM
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November 28th, 2007, 06:28 PM
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Fred Retread
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November 28th, 2007, 07:08 PM
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Well then you won't win any awards for the audio.
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November 28th, 2007, 08:29 PM
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Excellent. I'm glad there is a consensus :))
It sounds like I won't know until I test it. So plan A is to rent a 302 and run some content from it into the camera, compared with mic directly into camera. Does that sound reasonable? Plan B is to give up and try to resurrect the era of silent movies!! Cheers, Bob |
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November 28th, 2007, 08:43 PM
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Bob,
That's a VERY, VERY good idea. Just make sure you give it a good shot by using a good set of monitors and listening deeply with a good set of headphones. Computer speakers won't do. Regards, Ty |
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November 28th, 2007, 09:21 PM
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Fred Retread
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Plan B is not an option, Bob 8>). But Plan A sounds like a winner. Please let us know what you find.
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November 29th, 2007, 01:23 AM
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I've done some things with a HV20 and a SD702, also partly as a solo shooter. My solution was in the end to go double system, and film the SD702's counter at the beginning and/or the end of each take. During post I added an aux TC track to the video (in Final Cut, using the offset from the filmed counter and a little applescript for the maths), then multiclipped audio and video tracks. |
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November 29th, 2007, 05:59 AM
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November 29th, 2007, 08:14 AM
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No. I can live with HDV 192Kbit. The HV20 (at least mine) has a very noisy mic-in. Much noisier than my old TRV900, which was still noiser than the lousy PD150, wich was in turn worse than the Z1, which is still far from sony's pro cams, which still play in a different league than Sound Devices or HHB or whatever. I love it, the HV20. Great little camera. But in my view, HV20 sound is hopeless. To feed it with a all the love and care that comes out of a SD302 does not get one very far, imho. |
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December 1st, 2007, 11:37 AM
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Then there were issues with configuring the two. The mic stage of the HV 20 is really not set up to take input from a mixer, it seems, as the tech had to make numerous adjustments to the 302 to get it right. My initial impression is that the 302 is a fine piece of gear that would be an investment in any kit...any kit where the camera has a serious audio stage. We were both left wondering: Why do you want a $1000 mixer plugged into your $800 camera with amateur audio stage? I keep focusing on the word "investment" ......... The audio tech salesman suggested dumping the camera, that anything I buy toward the more pro end would have sufficient audio to eliminate my desire to fuss around with a mixer. So I'm going to spend today testing the quality of mixer vs no mixer to see if I can tell a difference. More to follow. |
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December 1st, 2007, 07:10 PM
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::Sigh::
The switch to mic level out is in the menu, not a hard switch on the unti itself. Once you do that and calibrate the mixer to the camera, you should be fine. Regards, Ty |
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