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Old January 31st, 2017, 04:51 PM   #76
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Hi Chris,

Thanks for a very interesting and detailed reply :-)

I can see both sides of the coin and am still wrestling with the thought that perhaps we are too wrapped up in the technology and striving for cinematic perfection. Perhaps we are sometimes not seeing the trees for the woods.

Seeing as how video accounts for probably no more than 10% of weddings and photography perhaps 95%, there could be a very marketable case for an upgraded photo package that includes a live streamed single camera video. After all I spent 2 decades filming perfectly competent weddings with one camera with never an eyebrow raised by clients. Now in an era of minimal quality, wobbly, pixelated short guest phone clips of weddings, perhaps a professionally filmed single camera live broadcast of the main bits plus photos may, be highly attractive to modern brides and enable turnover to remain at least the same without the editing time to worry about.

I remain open minded :-)

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Old February 1st, 2017, 01:12 AM   #77
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Forgot to mention that our system is a LOT different. We have Marriage Celebrants who are allowed to perform ceremonies ANYWHERE! On the beach, in a park and some even have built little capels in their back yards. We have probably a lot more casual ceremonies than you guys have. Church ceremonies probably have dropped to under 15% nowdays!! I might do one or two in a season at best!! All the rest are civil ceremonies!!
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Old February 4th, 2017, 08:42 AM   #78
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Just for interest Roger I'm told this works on both studio and vMix

Magewell - USB Capture HDMI
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Old February 4th, 2017, 10:38 AM   #79
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Hi Chris,

Thanks for the link :-) I found the Magewell converters during my hours and days of research, but wasn't prepared to pay 250 for 1 channel only. I'm still miffed that you can buy a cheap webcam and the USB out will go straight into the software and be recognised, but you can"t plug a 1000 camera in and get it recognised without spending a small fortune on a converter. What is going on?

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Old February 4th, 2017, 09:14 PM   #80
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Hi Roger

I often wonder why all TV's have not one but TWO HDMI inputs yet more powerful desktop machines have none ... It would be so simple to include HDMI inputs on the back of a computer at minimum cost so HDMI devices can be plugged in. Funny thing is that switching software can connect wirelessly to other computers, tablets, and even smart phones yet the problem all seems to be connecting a camera (with HDMI outputs) to any computer/tablet/laptop .. In Studio I can easily bring in any screen as use it as a video source but the issue is STILL getting the camera HDMI signal into the computer. I'm still puzzled why this is such an issue for modern desktop machines in this day and age.

Livestream came up with the MEVO system but it's designed to use with an iPhone/iPad and the camera units are terrible in low light too and cost almost the same as our Panny cameras. For doing stuff like Theatre products a wireless system is way more convenient but sadly unless you buy a Broadcaster Unit you are screwed. Surely there must a be a wireless encoder that you mount on the hotshoe of the camera and monitor/stream from your computer? I don't mind USB cameras in a fixed venue but there seems to be nothing available between a $150 webcam and a more fancy PTZ usb camera at 10 x the price.

I will however keep you updated!!
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Old February 5th, 2017, 04:06 AM   #81
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Elgato sell a pci card you plug in at a reasonable price. But again how many can you plug in without driver issues. (I just mention Elgato but there must me a few other makes)
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Old February 5th, 2017, 05:54 AM   #82
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Donald ? with your adapters can you set them up so the live video runs on a second monitor ? I know I can use Studio on my main monitor and it will recognise a second monitor as a video source ..it seems that Roger even struggles to get video to play live with his boxes?? Does the software with the adapters have some sort of program to monitor the incoming live video?
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Old February 5th, 2017, 07:28 AM   #83
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I am using a laptop so no second monitor. What you could do is setup with HDMI splitter and a Lilliput or similar. Some have pass through so no need for splitter.
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Old February 5th, 2017, 07:12 PM   #84
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Hi Donald

I don't have an HDMI>USB adaptor but Roger seemed to have an issue getting an output from both his Avermedia and Elgator units. How can you test the adaptor ? You obviously plug the camera into the HDMI input and the USB into a port on the computer ....All I was asking was once everything is on and running do you get live video on your screen and what software (apart from your Xsplit switcher) is used to confirm that video is coming into the computer ,, Surely the adaptor comes with some sort of software to allow you to check that it's working?
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Old February 6th, 2017, 05:39 AM   #85
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Hi Chris,

My Elgato box was returned, but the Avermedia I have held onto to experiment with. It came with software that enabled you to view the input and record with the software. That all works fine, just can't get a picture in Livestream or Vmix. Whether you could use the included software to get a monitor view on a second screen is uncertain.

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Old February 6th, 2017, 05:51 AM   #86
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Hi Roger

Sorry to go on with this but it's useful stuff to know for me too so I'm "using" you to gain information if I need it!!

. If you have two monitors then if you download the free utility called Livestream Remote Camera and install and run on your computer it allows studio to "see" both monitors and you can use them as remote cameras. If you also run the Avermedia view software and then drag the window onto your 2nd monitor you have the 1st monitor to run studio and the 2nd monitor as your live camera view and you can bring the 2nd monitor in as a remote live camera.

You can also of course hook the Avermedia up to say, a laptop and as long as it's connected to the same wifi as your main computer (and is running Livestream remote camera ) you can also bring that in as a remote camera and it's of course a wireless signal too! I was wondering if these little mini computers (Intel NUT) might work as they actually have an HDMI input too so one wouldn't need the Avermedia box

On vMix you might be able to do the same thing but I'm not sure how

Maybe something to amuse you on your still chilly Winter nights???
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Old February 6th, 2017, 06:43 PM   #87
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Something new announced yesterday. Blackmagic Atem Studio and Web Presenter. Web presenter acts like a web camera. Takes your pro equipment and turns it into a 720p hd feed.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pro...icwebpresenter
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Old February 6th, 2017, 08:58 PM   #88
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Thanks Phil

Interesting! It looks like it's a powered device (mains) which is a bummer for weddings in the park. One assumes that you still need to cable from the camera to the computer even with the add on device ....Pity it wasn't a wifi device like the Broadcaster Pro and also battery powered. You still need an HDMI or SDI input on your computer so I honestly cannot see any huge advantage between this and a HDMI>USB converter box which is heaps cheaper. It is cheaper than a Teradek or Broadcaster Pro but I think they are way more convenient and can stream out on their own and are self powered.

What set up are you using?
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Old February 7th, 2017, 07:58 AM   #89
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there are 2 way for going streaming.
the first way is to consider streaming like just another media and you build a live set as usual, several cameras wired to a video mixer/switcher and recorder.
Many people have to good old videonics MX1 or use more recent system in HD like the ATEM.
You can also user very expensive equipement like the NEWTEK tricaster or the VMIX GO.

You can also go for an all in one computer (since anyway you will need it) . this goes from the cheap and easy to the high end and expensive, depending you needs or budget.
Personally i have both.

I have some laptop, with GSM data card (some place are out of any internet access) , the vmix program and 3 webcams with long cables (about up to 45 feet usb cable).
If needed i can have a roaming camera with the NDI wifi connection over an iphone or ipad.
If needed i can use my magewell HDMI to usb converter to capture video from a regular camera (with the benefit of zooming).
Webcam can be modified to use CS lenses , so you can put them closer to PC while still having a good framing.see here an example. Lukse.lt Modifying Logitech C920 for CS lenses

This will allow you to make a live editing of the event, stream on youtube, facebook or periscope, record on disk at the same time in higher resolution than stream. You will be able to ad lower third for names and tiles of speakers, countdown on stream before event starts. and even play movies or show picture if the event has some presentation.

The same setup can be build with an heavier equipement lke a big PC tower, with 4 input SDI card, hdmi to sdi converter for cameras, coax cable (that is easy to install and sturdy enough to last) and you can bring professional cameras on tripod with cameramen behind or even untethered cameras with wireless connection to be spot on action as a photographer would.

The good news about that is all the software part could be free (OBS studio is freem, youtube, facebook or pericope live streaming is free), so if you already have the video equipement, this would not add to the bill.

and nothing prevents you to record on-camera as usual to make a neat editing after the event.
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Old February 7th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #90
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I don't actually have any setup for streaming video. I do have sdi switching gear. I've been in the broadcast industry for 32 years. Was doing a lot of big screen work around town but as with your industry it has been flooded with people who can buy equipment for next to nothing. I'll say no more. Just saw web presenter yesterday on a webinar before I went of to work. Didn't really have time to take it in. Just thought I would on pass to you guys to check it out.
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