How to bid time lapse? at DVinfo.net

Kell Smith · August 26th, 2011, 10:28 AM

I have a potential client who wants a time-lapse done over a few days of some construction work being done. I don't want to price him out of hte water. How would you bid a project like this?
Thanks in advance.

Kevin McRoberts · August 26th, 2011, 10:55 AM

How much time will you spend doing it?

What's your time worth?

Start from there.

Kell Smith · August 26th, 2011, 11:12 AM

I'm guessing about three days.
Good point. Why am I resisting charging what my time is worth? Maybe because I'm just sitting there babysitting the camera, rather than doing a bunch of shooting?
This is a small business, yet I'm making an assumption that somehow I have to price down. For all I know, he could be worth millions.

Steve House · August 26th, 2011, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kell Smith

I'm guessing about three days.
Good point. Why am I resisting charging what my time is worth? Maybe because I'm just sitting there babysitting the camera, rather than doing a bunch of shooting?
This is a small business, yet I'm making an assumption that somehow I have to price down. For all I know, he could be worth millions.

Don't forget, if you're sitting with the camera you can't be shooting another gig. The other gig is a lost opportunity which is a cost of doing business than must be recovered in your pricing. The price of the time you're spending on the project you are doing shouldn't be any less than what you would have earned doing the project you turned down in order to do the one you are doing.

Garrett Low · August 26th, 2011, 01:55 PM

Kell,

If it takes three days to shoot it takes three days to shoot. It doesn't matter that the captured footage is being done at 1 frame a second. Ask yourself if you feel you should charge more for shooting at 60p for a 30p final delivery (slow motion). Would you charge twice as much because you're going to end up with slow motion footage?

I understand that it may feel like the client isn't getting as much because you're not having to constantly move or adjust the camera. But think of it a different way. They are paying you for your experience and expertise in being able to setup and capture the TL footage. It could be potentially more costly if they went with someone who didn't know what they were doing and the footage didn't get captured or turned out looking horrible. This will be the only opportunity they get to capture this phase of their construction so in a sense it is the money shot. It could be that it just takes three days to get it.

-Garrett

Robert Turchick · August 26th, 2011, 04:19 PM

Agreed...if you're on site, it's a shoot and you charge a full day rate.

I have looked at a few services that offer multicam time-lapse and they don't have personnel on site. Once the cameras are set, they stream back to a central location to monitor all their rigs that are out. Don't really trust that as there's no one to fix it if something goes wrong but that's their biz.
They also have weatherproof enclosures and offer daily, weekly and monthly rates. It's cheaper than my day rate but my day rate includes me.

So as mentioned, you can't be in two places at once so your time is your time and should be billed accordingly.

Roger Van Duyn · August 27th, 2011, 07:26 AM

Bill by your day rate, unless you discern that offering a discount has a good change of benefiting you in the long run, for example, by gaining you a long term client that will gain you repeat business, and good referrals. Contacts can be much more valuable than contracts.

How good are you at sizing up potential clients? Is he really a good prospect? Business to business relationships are still people to people relationships underneath.

And there is another factor too. I have my rates, but there is also some flexibility in them. For instance, is it hard work or easy work? Can you bring a laptop with you on location and do other work while you are waiting? I've done a five day demolition shoot for a 3 minute timelapse in the past. It made me think of going fishing. A lot of lulls between the action. Having a laptop lets you do other things while waiting for action to happen.

Christian Brown · August 27th, 2011, 09:07 AM

If you have to be on-site the whole time, you might not be the best person for the job.

Still, charge your day rate. Then go do other work. You shouldn't have to babysit the camera for a construction job.

August 26th, 2011, 10:28 AM	#1
Kell Smith Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 436	How to bid time lapse? I have a potential client who wants a time-lapse done over a few days of some construction work being done. I don't want to price him out of hte water. How would you bid a project like this? Thanks in advance.

August 26th, 2011, 10:55 AM	#2
Kevin McRoberts Major Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 700	Re: How to bid time lapse? How much time will you spend doing it? What's your time worth? Start from there. __________________ Freelance pudgy bearded lighting camera operator www.mcbob.tv

August 26th, 2011, 11:12 AM	#3
Kell Smith Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 436	Re: How to bid time lapse? I'm guessing about three days. Good point. Why am I resisting charging what my time is worth? Maybe because I'm just sitting there babysitting the camera, rather than doing a bunch of shooting? This is a small business, yet I'm making an assumption that somehow I have to price down. For all I know, he could be worth millions.

August 26th, 2011, 01:55 PM	#5
Garrett Low Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 1,774	Re: How to bid time lapse? Kell, If it takes three days to shoot it takes three days to shoot. It doesn't matter that the captured footage is being done at 1 frame a second. Ask yourself if you feel you should charge more for shooting at 60p for a 30p final delivery (slow motion). Would you charge twice as much because you're going to end up with slow motion footage? I understand that it may feel like the client isn't getting as much because you're not having to constantly move or adjust the camera. But think of it a different way. They are paying you for your experience and expertise in being able to setup and capture the TL footage. It could be potentially more costly if they went with someone who didn't know what they were doing and the footage didn't get captured or turned out looking horrible. This will be the only opportunity they get to capture this phase of their construction so in a sense it is the money shot. It could be that it just takes three days to get it. -Garrett __________________ Garrett Low www.GLowMediaProductions.com Last edited by Garrett Low; August 26th, 2011 at 06:03 PM.

August 26th, 2011, 04:19 PM	#6
Robert Turchick Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,389	Re: How to bid time lapse? Agreed...if you're on site, it's a shoot and you charge a full day rate. I have looked at a few services that offer multicam time-lapse and they don't have personnel on site. Once the cameras are set, they stream back to a central location to monitor all their rigs that are out. Don't really trust that as there's no one to fix it if something goes wrong but that's their biz. They also have weatherproof enclosures and offer daily, weekly and monthly rates. It's cheaper than my day rate but my day rate includes me. So as mentioned, you can't be in two places at once so your time is your time and should be billed accordingly. __________________ The older I get, the better I was!

August 27th, 2011, 07:26 AM	#7
Roger Van Duyn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lakeland Florida Posts: 690	Re: How to bid time lapse? Bill by your day rate, unless you discern that offering a discount has a good change of benefiting you in the long run, for example, by gaining you a long term client that will gain you repeat business, and good referrals. Contacts can be much more valuable than contracts. How good are you at sizing up potential clients? Is he really a good prospect? Business to business relationships are still people to people relationships underneath. And there is another factor too. I have my rates, but there is also some flexibility in them. For instance, is it hard work or easy work? Can you bring a laptop with you on location and do other work while you are waiting? I've done a five day demolition shoot for a 3 minute timelapse in the past. It made me think of going fishing. A lot of lulls between the action. Having a laptop lets you do other things while waiting for action to happen. __________________ Roger My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAp...2AHr_pHFID5LDA Last edited by Roger Van Duyn; August 27th, 2011 at 07:33 AM. Reason: additional comment

August 27th, 2011, 09:07 AM	#8
Christian Brown Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 194	Re: How to bid time lapse? If you have to be on-site the whole time, you might not be the best person for the job. Still, charge your day rate. Then go do other work. You shouldn't have to babysit the camera for a construction job. __________________ http://artslaureate.com/, http://facebook.com/ArtsLaureate http://www.christianamonson.com/