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Old February 28th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #1
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How to charge for uploading 8 hours of video to YouTube

Hi Guys

Any thoughts about how to charge a client for creating a YouTube channel for them and uploading 8 hours (!) of ProRes 422 video at a decent quality to YouTube?

My Upload Speed is 0.942 Mb/s so I'm thinking it could take some time to upload!

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Old February 29th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #2
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Seems like it would be difficult to estimate any kind of price for this!
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Old February 29th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #3
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The first thing I would determine is whether the operation is scriptable, e.g. can I write a script that would handle the process including verification of file integrity. A quick google on 'youtube api' and a couple of clicks turns up this Developer's Guide: Data API Protocol – Direct Uploading - YouTube APIs and Tools - Google Code
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Old February 29th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #4
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I've kind of become sort of a "go-to guy" for business video in our area, so I do get odd hard-to-price projects like this. I generally charge by the hour for actual work. If a batch of videos takes a few hours to upload, I don't change the client for every one of those hours. They probably get charged for a few minutes of prep time, then as the videos are uploading I'm working on another project. Remember, YouTube supports batch uploading.

The number of videos would probably affect the price more than the total amount of video, but let's assume there are 50 separate videos. Assuming I can upload each with about 10 minutes of attention, that would total a bit more than 8 hours. At my rate of $75 per hour, we're talking about $600.

I'm not telling you to charge $600, nor am I suggesting there are 50 videos and each will take 10 minutes. I'm telling you how I determine pricing on oddball projects.

Now if the client balks at the price, suggest that they find some hungry college kid, since this really isn't a difficult project.
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Old February 29th, 2012, 12:52 PM   #5
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Great advice Jim and Chris, thanks very much :o)
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Old March 2nd, 2012, 06:06 PM   #6
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Compress it to h.264 in streamclip, it'll upload about a hundred times faster with basically no end loss in quality (at least on YouTube). I'm not sure YouTube will even accept ProRes, and I would certainly check before uploading 8 hours of it.

I generally don't charge extra for compressing and uploading of videos I shoot and edit. If somebody came to me with 8 hours of footage they had shot/edited elsewhere, I think the aforementioned $600 figure is at least in the neighborhood of what I'd dream up, based on a thousand variables that aren't mentioned here - starting with how many individual videos there are.

Incidentally, I don't ever name, tag, or describe videos - I have the clients do it.
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 04:15 PM   #7
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Peter,

Also be aware that YouTube has a 15 minute limit per video, unless they changed that recently. I would send your proves stuff through Compressor using their stock YouTube compression and then upload that compressed file to YT. Like Mike said, I'm not sure if YT accepts PR.

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Old March 4th, 2012, 06:17 AM   #8
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They've been lifting the 15 minute limit on some accounts but not telling the account holder.
If you go to this page on your account you may (or may not) see a message saying something liken "congratulations your account is now enabled for uploads longer than 15 minutes"
http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_upload
Also not stated at all is that such accounts can upload up to 20GB per file (using Firefox for example).
Since YouTube now supports video up to 4K (!!!!) they're probably expecting large files from some creatives.
There's also no mention how they determine get the unlimited duration 20GB file capability.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:26 PM   #9
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Re: How to charge for uploading 8 hours of video to YouTube

I just went to my YouTube account and checked the upload page - under the "videos can be" heading there was the standard text "15 minutes long"... but right under it in blue "lift your 15 minutes limit" [words may not have been the exact same I'm using here - can't go back to check].

I had to enter my cell phone number, Google sent me a text message with an unlock code that I had to enter back into the page and voila, no more 15 minutes limit.

Thanks for this info, Craig!
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Old March 7th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #10
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Interesting, I don't use youtube very much at all, preferring Vimeo, but I used the link and I'm enabled for long ones!

Handy though!
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Old March 7th, 2012, 09:58 AM   #11
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YouTube's little secret. Interesting that they're not telling anyone.
Vimeo has had a much cleaner interface and never had a duration limit but it has its downside. Free accounts have a 500MB one HD file a week limit. HD is limited to 720. YouTube, if you have the 15 minute limit lifted. Can now handle 20GB files. Allows 1080 and even 4K frame sizes.

I don't doubt YouTube is, in some "small" way, reacting to Vimeo. I've seen market research that YouTube found that with very short videos, people were leaving the site after the short play. That's not good for advertisers who want you to see their ads as you watch videos. I believe this encouraged YouTube to start lifting duration limits for many accounts. Given the file and frame sizes allowed, YouTube had the potential for much better video quality than Vimeo now. Of course Vimeo monitizes differently with paid accounts and now, professional business accounts.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #12
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I just went to my YouTube account and checked the upload page - under the "videos can be" heading there was the standard text "15 minutes long"... but right under it in blue "lift your 15 minutes limit" [words may not have been the exact same I'm using here - can't go back to check].
Interesting, on my upload page it says "increased limit not available for this account". I wonder why?

EDIT: I see why, five years ago I uploaded a scene from "24" that was de-listed due to copyright. I just deleted that video and now I have the option to increase my limit.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #13
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Interesting, on my upload page it says "increased limit not available for this account". I wonder why?

EDIT: I see why, five years ago I uploaded a scene from "24" that was de-listed due to copyright. I just deleted that video and now I have the option to increase my limit.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:12 AM   #14
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All you have to do to get over 15minutes is put an email in and phone number. also do they expect you to fill in the Info box and TAG lines?
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