If it's 24p, can I use Magic Bullet/Movie Looks for color fx? at DVinfo.net

Marcia Janine Galles · August 23rd, 2004, 08:17 AM

Hello all. Pardon my ignorance, but if I shot in 24pA on the DVX (so I don't need the conversion ability of Magic Bullet), can I use these programs to play around with color effects? Some of the choices look pretty cool.
Marcia

Kevin Lee · August 23rd, 2004, 08:43 AM

But, Of course. Frame rate and colour manipulation are 2 separate things/filters. Have fun and a colourful time.

Barry Green · August 24th, 2004, 03:13 PM

That's actually one good reason why they released Magic Bullet For Editors. It's basically just the look suite, without the 24P conversion module, at only $299 retail (vs. $1000 for the full version).

Chris L. Gray · September 22nd, 2004, 07:43 PM

I just received my copy of Magic Bullet for Ediors and am playing with the warm & fuzzy filters. Haven't done anything serious yet, but wondered if people truly found these filters useful in their work, specifically people who also have DVX100 cams (and/or use final cut pro).

Thanks.

Joshua Provost · September 23rd, 2004, 04:23 PM

MB LookSuite is great. They really did it with a view to film processing: pre/post gamma/saturation, black/white diffusion, color correction. Beautiful results, amazing even. And the presets are even fairly conservative compared to other packages, which push the presets to the extreme to accentuate the difference in the end result.

Chris L. Gray · September 23rd, 2004, 09:10 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Joshua Provost : MB LookSuite is great. They really did it with a view to film processing: pre/post gamma/saturation, black/white diffusion, color correction. Beautiful results, amazing even. And the presets are even fairly conservative compared to other packages, which push the presets to the extreme to accentuate the difference in the end result. -->>>

I guess I'm hunting for an idea of what filters are used most or what combination of filters are used on typical footage (people walking down the street, close-ups, etc.).

Joshua Provost · September 23rd, 2004, 10:33 PM

Yes, you could use different looks for different circumstances. You can use it as a storytelling element. You might use a Basic Warm filter for scenes with family and friends. You might use a Basic Cool filter to show a serial killer.

Now, you don't want to go too crazy. You want to establish basic looks, and use them for entire scenes or acts, to convey your message.

Bare minimum, if you pick a very basic look and apply it to your whole project, it'll make it look more like film. And you go from there.

I used something, maybe Lowlight Shine, for this entire video. It brought in warmer colors, film-style gamma, and made the highlight seriously glow, which was cool because there was a lot flourescent lighting in frame, and lots of reflections.

OK, let's compare the processed and unprocessed side-by-side. I also converted from 60i to 24p. Here's the trick, watch the processed one first. Then watch the original. You'll notice the original is perhaps more crisp, , but it's also just flatter, while the processed clip seems to be, well, filmic and have more pulsating life to it.

http://www.727records.com/Cleary (72... My Crisis.mpg <--processed

http://www.727records.com/Cleary TIMC Original.mpg <-- unprocessed

Man, does anyone know how to make links work?

Chris L. Gray · September 23rd, 2004, 11:01 PM

Joshua,

Thanks for the details. I've been playing around with warm & fuzzy a bit.. need more time to get used to the program as I'm completely new to it.

You can put around your links to make them work.

What kind of cam are you using? The DVX100A produces wondeful images, so I not sure if I'm expecting too much...

Chris L. Gray · September 23rd, 2004, 11:09 PM

Wow, that's a wonderful improvement over the original. Did you use any lighting other than the flourescent bulbs in the laundry place?

Thanks for sharing.

Joshua Provost · September 24th, 2004, 01:05 AM

We shot the video for $20 (the cost of a couple blank tape), in an hour and a half, with no permission, and no lighting. The cam was borrowed, a couple year old JVC model something-70, really not very good. Lighting wasn't much of a factor on the interiors, but the faces are quite dark outside.

I just bought a Panasonic PV-GS400, should arrive tomorrow, and have some more videos in the works. I'll be sure to post them up.

Didn't quite catch what I have to do to make the links work.

Chris L. Gray · September 24th, 2004, 07:32 AM

OK cool. It doesn't look bad to my novice eyes, considering that you only relied upon the natural/exiting lighting sorta dogma style.

I shot some test footage of me playing around in front of my DVX100A in my kitchen. The only light on at the time was a lamp on the table with probably a 40w or 60w bulb.

I just wanted to play with the MB filters a bit.
As of this writing, there's only the normal clip, then the one where I used Berlin. I plan to do one for Neo and maybe a couple more.

Appears that I goofed on processing some of them.. the effect doesn't last past :42 (just before the dissolve to the fish tank shot)... I think Berlin is an exception...

http://host212.ipowerweb.com/~chicagoh/scratch

About the links, just put [URL ] in front of it and
[/URL ] behind it. (remove the blank spaces)

So http://chicagohousemusic.com would be http://chicagohousemusic.com.

Joshua Provost · September 24th, 2004, 09:39 AM

Very cool, the filters really have the ability to bring out things you didn't even know were these in the image. Thanks for filling me in on the URL's.

August 23rd, 2004, 08:17 AM	#1
Marcia Janine Galles Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 340	If it's 24p, can I use Magic Bullet/Movie Looks for color fx? Hello all. Pardon my ignorance, but if I shot in 24pA on the DVX (so I don't need the conversion ability of Magic Bullet), can I use these programs to play around with color effects? Some of the choices look pretty cool. Marcia

September 22nd, 2004, 07:43 PM	#4
Chris L. Gray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 73	Magic Bullet for Editors I just received my copy of Magic Bullet for Ediors and am playing with the warm & fuzzy filters. Haven't done anything serious yet, but wondered if people truly found these filters useful in their work, specifically people who also have DVX100 cams (and/or use final cut pro). Thanks. __________________ ..... keep it deep4life.

September 23rd, 2004, 09:10 PM	#6
Chris L. Gray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 73	<<<-- Originally posted by Joshua Provost : MB LookSuite is great. They really did it with a view to film processing: pre/post gamma/saturation, black/white diffusion, color correction. Beautiful results, amazing even. And the presets are even fairly conservative compared to other packages, which push the presets to the extreme to accentuate the difference in the end result. -->>> I guess I'm hunting for an idea of what filters are used most or what combination of filters are used on typical footage (people walking down the street, close-ups, etc.). __________________ ..... keep it deep4life.

September 23rd, 2004, 11:01 PM	#8
Chris L. Gray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 73	Joshua, Thanks for the details. I've been playing around with warm & fuzzy a bit.. need more time to get used to the program as I'm completely new to it. You can put around your links to make them work. What kind of cam are you using? The DVX100A produces wondeful images, so I not sure if I'm expecting too much... __________________ ..... keep it deep4life.

September 23rd, 2004, 11:09 PM	#9
Chris L. Gray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 73	Wow, that's a wonderful improvement over the original. Did you use any lighting other than the flourescent bulbs in the laundry place? Thanks for sharing. __________________ ..... keep it deep4life.

August 23rd, 2004, 08:43 AM	#2
Kevin Lee Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 224	But, Of course. Frame rate and colour manipulation are 2 separate things/filters. Have fun and a colourful time.

August 24th, 2004, 03:13 PM	#3
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	That's actually one good reason why they released Magic Bullet For Editors. It's basically just the look suite, without the 24P conversion module, at only $299 retail (vs. $1000 for the full version).

September 23rd, 2004, 04:23 PM	#5
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	MB LookSuite is great. They really did it with a view to film processing: pre/post gamma/saturation, black/white diffusion, color correction. Beautiful results, amazing even. And the presets are even fairly conservative compared to other packages, which push the presets to the extreme to accentuate the difference in the end result.

September 23rd, 2004, 10:33 PM	#7
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Yes, you could use different looks for different circumstances. You can use it as a storytelling element. You might use a Basic Warm filter for scenes with family and friends. You might use a Basic Cool filter to show a serial killer. Now, you don't want to go too crazy. You want to establish basic looks, and use them for entire scenes or acts, to convey your message. Bare minimum, if you pick a very basic look and apply it to your whole project, it'll make it look more like film. And you go from there. I used something, maybe Lowlight Shine, for this entire video. It brought in warmer colors, film-style gamma, and made the highlight seriously glow, which was cool because there was a lot flourescent lighting in frame, and lots of reflections. OK, let's compare the processed and unprocessed side-by-side. I also converted from 60i to 24p. Here's the trick, watch the processed one first. Then watch the original. You'll notice the original is perhaps more crisp, , but it's also just flatter, while the processed clip seems to be, well, filmic and have more pulsating life to it. http://www.727records.com/Cleary (72... My Crisis.mpg <--processed http://www.727records.com/Cleary TIMC Original.mpg <-- unprocessed Man, does anyone know how to make links work?

September 24th, 2004, 01:05 AM	#10
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	We shot the video for $20 (the cost of a couple blank tape), in an hour and a half, with no permission, and no lighting. The cam was borrowed, a couple year old JVC model something-70, really not very good. Lighting wasn't much of a factor on the interiors, but the faces are quite dark outside. I just bought a Panasonic PV-GS400, should arrive tomorrow, and have some more videos in the works. I'll be sure to post them up. Didn't quite catch what I have to do to make the links work.

September 24th, 2004, 07:32 AM	#11
Chris L. Gray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 73	OK cool. It doesn't look bad to my novice eyes, considering that you only relied upon the natural/exiting lighting sorta dogma style. I shot some test footage of me playing around in front of my DVX100A in my kitchen. The only light on at the time was a lamp on the table with probably a 40w or 60w bulb. I just wanted to play with the MB filters a bit. As of this writing, there's only the normal clip, then the one where I used Berlin. I plan to do one for Neo and maybe a couple more. Appears that I goofed on processing some of them.. the effect doesn't last past :42 (just before the dissolve to the fish tank shot)... I think Berlin is an exception... http://host212.ipowerweb.com/~chicagoh/scratch About the links, just put [URL ] in front of it and [/URL ] behind it. (remove the blank spaces) So http://chicagohousemusic.com would be http://chicagohousemusic.com. __________________ ..... keep it deep4life.

September 24th, 2004, 09:39 AM	#12
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	Very cool, the filters really have the ability to bring out things you didn't even know were these in the image. Thanks for filling me in on the URL's.