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Old January 22nd, 2003, 09:24 PM   #1
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Best deinterlace plug or soft

Hi,

what software or plug is the best to deinterlace whith the sharpest image without too side effects? Thank in advance.

I'm trying Frame mode vs Interlaced mode+deinterlace in the PC.
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Old January 22nd, 2003, 09:38 PM   #2
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I think Magic Bullet has the best looking deinterlacer I have ever seen. I is a plugin for After Effects.
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Old January 22nd, 2003, 10:01 PM   #3
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Magic Bullet hasn't shipped yet for the PC but should very soon. You might also want to look at Cinelook for a comparison. I use MB and find the results very pleasing. It renders very slow, averaging 5 to 10 seconds per frame depending on the options I've chosen to turn on.

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Old February 17th, 2003, 04:35 AM   #4
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The Magic Bullet is really nice, expensive too. Not many people can afford it. There are other options too. If you are on a Mac, Joe's Filters has a really nice plug-in for FCP that I like.
http://www.joesfilters.com/joesdeinterlacer.php

Also, there is reVisionFX's "Fields Kit"
http://www.revisionfx.com/rsfk.htm
which works really well but expect a long render time in your workflow - apply it only when you have your final edit after color correction.

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Old February 17th, 2003, 11:07 AM   #5
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I've summed up this information before, so I'm linking to it.

Information about interlacing in this and this thread.

An easy and cheap way (and can be quite good) to de-interlace
the footage can be found at this thread and this site.

Good luck!

keywords:interlaced:frame:progressive:deinterlace
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Old February 17th, 2003, 12:00 PM   #6
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Thank you Rob,

Lots of good information for all :)

How is the weather today in the Netherlands where you are? We are being deluged with snow here in Boston, supposed to get up to 20 inches!

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Old February 17th, 2003, 10:18 PM   #7
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<<<-- Originally posted by Don Berube : The Magic Bullet is really nice, expensive too. Not many people can afford it. There are other options too. If you are on a Mac, Joe's Filters has a really nice plug-in for FCP that I like.
http://www.joesfilters.com/joesdeinterlacer.php

Also, there is reVisionFX's "Fields Kit"
http://www.revisionfx.com/rsfk.htm
which works really well but expect a long render time in your workflow - apply it only when you have your final edit after color correction.

- don -->>>

Thank you very much for the links. I'm on PC. I've tried FieldsKit demo and I've found it better than Magic Bullet: more options and less artifacts. I've tried also the ReelSmart MotionBlur but this one didn't impressed me.

Do you know you a good plug that does Motion Blur?
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Old February 18th, 2003, 03:22 PM   #8
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There's really nothing else out there that compares to Reelsmart Motion Blur. The only thing I can suggest is maybe a combination of AEs inherent motion blur and frame blending.

Reelsmart Smoothkit supposedly does an excellent job on the jaggies (haven't tried it). A solution I often use for touch up work (on locked down shots only) is Synthetik Studio Artist with the blend erase brush....if I have a brick wall in the background that is really looking bad I can blend in the sharp aliased lines without giving way to too much blur. A very delicate process that requires painting and patience (it isn't a perfect solution). It's currently Mac only though. For your original question, I would say use Fieldskit and Smoothkit together-your video will thank you (ok maybe not).

Also another low cost alternative to Magic Bullet (in the look department) is Digital Film Tool's 55MM. I was playing around with the demo and was very pleased with the results...I may pick this up in the near future.
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Old February 18th, 2003, 06:19 PM   #9
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Hey Don!

The weather is beautiful and cold. Some very clear skies and
I've already photographed some glorious skies. Too bad work
is taking so much time away from such a fun thing. It is a couple
of degrees below freezing here. Which will fall a bit more later
this week. Nothing to serious though.

We almost never get snow here, and if we do it is mostly wet
snow or just one inch high or something.

No fun. But it looks great!

I heard on the news that there is heave snowfall (on the east
coast?) in the US?
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Old February 19th, 2003, 10:33 PM   #10
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Well I just got back home today after being completely snowed in at my brother Dan's house. Boston was hit with over 20" of snow. Luckily, we had something to do as we spent the entire weekend editing.

As far as yet another deinterlace plug-in that is available - for FCP users, try Joe's Filters Deinterlacer and Motion Blur
http://www.joemaller.com/fcp/joes_filters.shtml

I have the complete pack and I must say that I am very impressed with the results. Very clean output.

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I'm glad you mentioned Joes Filters, Don. John Locke turned me on to these very inexpensive plug-in filters. Each time I use one I find myself agog at just how good they are.
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Hey Don,

Glad to hear you and your family are okay. In theory I'd love to
be snowed in for a week or something and not be able to go to
work. I'd finally get some movie work done. I hope you shot some
interesting stills/footage in the snow?
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Old August 25th, 2003, 04:51 PM   #13
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I just recently read something that said de-interlacing either deletes one of the fields (A or B) or blurs between them. Is this true? The article also said if you're exporting to DVD for television viewing, de-interlacing is bad. I think this is bull based on my experience, but what does the DVi forum think?

Source: Canopus Forum
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Old August 25th, 2003, 05:18 PM   #14
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The article is partly correct. Deinterlacing does replace one of the fields (top or bottom) with something else. The simplest, and worst, deinterlacers simply copy one field into the other. The best look at both fields and use proprietary algorithms to generate a replacement field that makes the image look better.
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Old September 3rd, 2003, 05:40 AM   #15
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Perhaps this something for you?

http://home.planet.nl/~snuve011/bram...nterlaced.html
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