Dedicated site with storefront pictures exposing rip off dealers! at DVinfo.net

James Emory · November 11th, 2003, 01:27 AM

Some of these images will make you think twice before giving out that credit card number.

www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/BrooklynStores/

Jason Casey · November 11th, 2003, 02:10 PM

Wow, I almost bought a Canon GL2 from Abes of Maine (the 2nd one down) Thank god they said it was in the warehouse and they wouldn't be able to get to it for a week. Funny, I don't see a warehouse anywhere! So I cancelled my order and got it from somewhere else.

Matt Betea · November 11th, 2003, 07:23 PM

Broadway Photo's setup looks classier than I thought ;-)

James Emory · December 1st, 2003, 08:19 PM

Broadway on this unwanted list of storefront pictures of suspected shady businesses. It is the 17th picture down on the list.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=16931

James Emory · December 1st, 2003, 08:34 PM

The above post was supposed to go in the following thread but for some reason the thread was closed.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=17735

Chris Hurd · December 2nd, 2003, 12:23 AM

It's closed because I always reserve the right to have the last word on the "where to buy" question. I try to steer folks away from those shady operations, and toward our authorized DV Info Net sponsors. That pretty much says it all, and since it would be unfair to our sponsors and to our readers to continue discussing other dealers, the thread is locked at that point. I've stated this policy several times in the past, but it's been awhile since the last time so it's good to bring it up again. Hope this helps,

December 2nd, 2003, 12:47 AM

I remember this from DV I do thank you for info as many have been ripped off.

James Emory · December 2nd, 2003, 02:35 AM

I totally understand Chris. You and the wranglers do a great job managing this board. I had just never seen a closed thread before. Neato!

Martin Garrison · December 2nd, 2003, 09:34 AM

Chris, I love your forum. And it is YOUR forum. But couldn't this road get curvy? As companies begin to recognize the number of professionals who frequent this site and the quality of discussion found here, you will likely get offers from sponsors like pinnacle or panasonic. Ending discussions about "what I shoot on" and "what I edit on" will probably end the love affair many of us have with your site.

Besides the thread was helping to publicize some dealers who don't have the credibility of stand up shops like B and H.

This site is a fantastic idea and you've done it well, just my .02 cents.

Chris Hurd · December 3rd, 2003, 12:58 AM

Thanks for your input, Martin -- much appreciated. It can be a somewhat curvy road, but we're very careful drivers. Basically what it boils down to is, there's a big difference between those sponsors who are manufacturers, such as Pinnacle or Panasonic, or Canon who actually is advertising here, and those sponsors who are dealers, such as ZGC, B&H etc.

To this date, the *only* discussions I end are the "where to buy" questions, as that is business, but it's business with the best interests of our readers carefully held foremost in mind. You can believe that "what I shoot on, edit on" etc. will *never* fall into that sort of discrimination. For instance, just because Canon is advertising here doesn't mean we can't talk about any other camera -- as can be seen by our dedicated Sony, Panasonic and JVC discussion boards.

In short, manufacturers and dealers are two completely separate types of advertisers here. Although we're just as choosy about which manufacturers we'll allow to advertise on dvinfo.net, the discussions which follow them aren't related to the "WHERE to buy" question, which is a very sensitive issue here -- instead, they consitute a "WHAT to buy" question, a very different thing which is a type of discussion that's wholeheartedly encouraged and is in fact one of the primary reasons behind the creation of these boards.

I hope I made that distinction clear enough -- thanks again,

Mike Butler · December 15th, 2003, 07:37 PM

Yowza! Some of these places are about as appealing as Saddam Hussein's mug shot video! :-)

While I haven't tried all of Chris' sponsors, I have had the good fortune of doing many transactions with B&H, I swear by them. Actually I liked them before they became a sponsor! ...kind of like that old song "I was country when country asn't cool" :-)

November 11th, 2003, 01:27 AM	#1
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Dedicated site with storefront pictures exposing rip off dealers! Some of these images will make you think twice before giving out that credit card number. www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/BrooklynStores/

November 11th, 2003, 02:10 PM	#2
Jason Casey Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 93	Wow, I almost bought a Canon GL2 from Abes of Maine (the 2nd one down) Thank god they said it was in the warehouse and they wouldn't be able to get to it for a week. Funny, I don't see a warehouse anywhere! So I cancelled my order and got it from somewhere else. __________________ Jason Casey www.jcmediaservices.com www.kickbacktracks.com Royalty Free Video Production Loops!

November 11th, 2003, 07:23 PM	#3
Matt Betea Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: detroit, mi Posts: 187	Broadway Photo's setup looks classier than I thought ;-) __________________ Matrix metering is for girls.

December 1st, 2003, 08:19 PM	#4
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	The most unwanted list Broadway on this unwanted list of storefront pictures of suspected shady businesses. It is the 17th picture down on the list. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=16931

December 1st, 2003, 08:34 PM	#5
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	The above post The above post was supposed to go in the following thread but for some reason the thread was closed. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=17735

December 2nd, 2003, 12:23 AM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	It's closed because I always reserve the right to have the last word on the "where to buy" question. I try to steer folks away from those shady operations, and toward our authorized DV Info Net sponsors. That pretty much says it all, and since it would be unfair to our sponsors and to our readers to continue discussing other dealers, the thread is locked at that point. I've stated this policy several times in the past, but it's been awhile since the last time so it's good to bring it up again. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 2nd, 2003, 12:47 AM	#7
Guest Posts: n/a	I remember this from DV I do thank you for info as many have been ripped off.

December 2nd, 2003, 02:35 AM	#8
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Closed Thread I totally understand Chris. You and the wranglers do a great job managing this board. I had just never seen a closed thread before. Neato!

December 2nd, 2003, 09:34 AM	#9
Martin Garrison Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 173	Chris, I love your forum. And it is YOUR forum. But couldn't this road get curvy? As companies begin to recognize the number of professionals who frequent this site and the quality of discussion found here, you will likely get offers from sponsors like pinnacle or panasonic. Ending discussions about "what I shoot on" and "what I edit on" will probably end the love affair many of us have with your site. Besides the thread was helping to publicize some dealers who don't have the credibility of stand up shops like B and H. This site is a fantastic idea and you've done it well, just my .02 cents.

December 3rd, 2003, 12:58 AM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Thanks for your input, Martin -- much appreciated. It can be a somewhat curvy road, but we're very careful drivers. Basically what it boils down to is, there's a big difference between those sponsors who are manufacturers, such as Pinnacle or Panasonic, or Canon who actually is advertising here, and those sponsors who are dealers, such as ZGC, B&H etc. To this date, the only discussions I end are the "where to buy" questions, as that is business, but it's business with the best interests of our readers carefully held foremost in mind. You can believe that "what I shoot on, edit on" etc. will never fall into that sort of discrimination. For instance, just because Canon is advertising here doesn't mean we can't talk about any other camera -- as can be seen by our dedicated Sony, Panasonic and JVC discussion boards. In short, manufacturers and dealers are two completely separate types of advertisers here. Although we're just as choosy about which manufacturers we'll allow to advertise on dvinfo.net, the discussions which follow them aren't related to the "WHERE to buy" question, which is a very sensitive issue here -- instead, they consitute a "WHAT to buy" question, a very different thing which is a type of discussion that's wholeheartedly encouraged and is in fact one of the primary reasons behind the creation of these boards. I hope I made that distinction clear enough -- thanks again, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

December 15th, 2003, 07:37 PM	#11
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	Yowza! Some of these places are about as appealing as Saddam Hussein's mug shot video! :-) While I haven't tried all of Chris' sponsors, I have had the good fortune of doing many transactions with B&H, I swear by them. Actually I liked them before they became a sponsor! ...kind of like that old song "I was country when country asn't cool" :-) __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."