Meaning of professional

Frank Granovski · December 19th, 2003, 08:38 AM

"How in the world did you score a house in the middle of a studio set?"

They film like crazy all over the place here in Vancouver.

"Cheap rent?"

Nope. $820+ per month for my little hole near Kits Beach; and that's cheap for these parts.

Bill Ravens · December 19th, 2003, 08:42 AM

consider yourself blessed, Frank. Here in Santa Fe, a small house goes for over $2000/month. Local talent has to do a lot of service work to support their real passion. Such is the life of an artist, I guess.

So, perhaps there is a noteable distinction between "artist" and "professional". In my observations, a professional will do anything for money. An artist responds to higher moral values, which I will not debate, here.

Artists have been know to work for the love of the work, and put making the almighty dollar second. If this is the case, call me artist, not professional.

J. Clayton Stansberry · December 19th, 2003, 11:34 AM

<<<--Artists have been know to work for the love of the work, and put making the almighty dollar second. If this is the case, call me artist, not professional-->>>

I'll second that! However, combine the best of it all and why not be a passionate artistic professional, or PAP for short! Passionate because you love what you do and dedicate yourself to it; Artistic because you have the talent and knowledge to manipulate your form of expression; Professional because you get paid for it. PAP, the highest form of professionalism????

Clay

Bill Ravens · December 19th, 2003, 01:30 PM

by Jove, Clay, you may be onto something there...:)
Feliz Navidad to one and all.

Mike Butler · December 19th, 2003, 03:22 PM

I don't know how to spell her name, Holly Barrie? She plays Catwomen.

Halle Berry. Only the most gorgeous lady ever to grace a movie screen, imho.

..take Bill Raven's excellent statement: "... a professional is anyone who has a passion for their work, and demonstrates that passion in the quality of the delivered product that exceeds ordinary standards..." and add, "...and gets paid for it."

Good point, Chris, otherwise you'd have to include collegiate athletes (some of whom get paid very big dollars after they are done with school) and many of the Olympic athletes, plus volunteer firefighters, for example.

Funny, it's actually easier to define the meaning of "unprofessional" isn't it? Which none of us wants to be.

And hey, feliz navidad and happy Hanukkah, y'all.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · December 19th, 2003, 04:31 PM

Halle Berry--named after defunct Cleveland department store Halle Bros.

Frank Granovski · December 19th, 2003, 05:47 PM

Oh, so that's her "professional" name.

I don't rent a house. I live in a 1 bedroom apt. Luckily, I have a balcony.

Bill Pryor · December 19th, 2003, 07:08 PM

That disclaimer only works on the dv.com forum. Unfortunately, said forum is still down for yet another "upgrade."

I know a professional video engineer who used a paper clip to help grab a tiny wire inside a tape deck, so I guess paper clips are professional tools... Of course if you are a person in an office who uses paper clips to hold documents together, then you would no doubt want "professional" paper clips, and not those little colored plastic coated ones that this engineer used. They are only for amateurs.

At the risk of sounding non-philosophical about this whole discussion, I'll say that what I consider a professional camera is one that has a high resolution B&W viewfinder, has a "real" lens as opposed to the electronic ones, generates SMPTE bars, time code, has two XLR inputs, has all manual controls for video and audio, and allows you to reset time code and turn on the bars with knobs and buttons instead of having to go into the menu. That would mean my DSR500 is a professional camera and my DSR250 is not. But that doesn't mean I can't make nice pictures with the 250 on occasion.

Mike Butler · December 20th, 2003, 09:33 PM

Hey, she could be named after Wal-Mart and still be hot!

:-)

December 19th, 2003, 11:34 AM	#48
J. Clayton Stansberry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 316	<<<--Artists have been know to work for the love of the work, and put making the almighty dollar second. If this is the case, call me artist, not professional-->>> I'll second that! However, combine the best of it all and why not be a passionate artistic professional, or PAP for short! Passionate because you love what you do and dedicate yourself to it; Artistic because you have the talent and knowledge to manipulate your form of expression; Professional because you get paid for it. PAP, the highest form of professionalism???? Clay __________________ I understand everything about nothing.

December 19th, 2003, 03:22 PM	#50
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	I don't know how to spell her name, Holly Barrie? She plays Catwomen. Halle Berry. Only the most gorgeous lady ever to grace a movie screen, imho. ..take Bill Raven's excellent statement: "... a professional is anyone who has a passion for their work, and demonstrates that passion in the quality of the delivered product that exceeds ordinary standards..." and add, "...and gets paid for it." Good point, Chris, otherwise you'd have to include collegiate athletes (some of whom get paid very big dollars after they are done with school) and many of the Olympic athletes, plus volunteer firefighters, for example. Funny, it's actually easier to define the meaning of "unprofessional" isn't it? Which none of us wants to be. And hey, feliz navidad and happy Hanukkah, y'all. __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

December 19th, 2003, 04:31 PM	#51
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Halle Berry--named after defunct Cleveland department store Halle Bros. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 20th, 2003, 09:33 PM	#54
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	Hey, she could be named after Wal-Mart and still be hot! :-) __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

December 19th, 2003, 08:38 AM	#46
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	"How in the world did you score a house in the middle of a studio set?" They film like crazy all over the place here in Vancouver. "Cheap rent?" Nope. $820+ per month for my little hole near Kits Beach; and that's cheap for these parts.

December 19th, 2003, 08:42 AM	#47
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	consider yourself blessed, Frank. Here in Santa Fe, a small house goes for over $2000/month. Local talent has to do a lot of service work to support their real passion. Such is the life of an artist, I guess. So, perhaps there is a noteable distinction between "artist" and "professional". In my observations, a professional will do anything for money. An artist responds to higher moral values, which I will not debate, here. Artists have been know to work for the love of the work, and put making the almighty dollar second. If this is the case, call me artist, not professional.

December 19th, 2003, 01:30 PM	#49
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	by Jove, Clay, you may be onto something there...:) Feliz Navidad to one and all.

December 19th, 2003, 05:47 PM	#52
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Oh, so that's her "professional" name. I don't rent a house. I live in a 1 bedroom apt. Luckily, I have a balcony.

December 19th, 2003, 07:08 PM	#53
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	That disclaimer only works on the dv.com forum. Unfortunately, said forum is still down for yet another "upgrade." I know a professional video engineer who used a paper clip to help grab a tiny wire inside a tape deck, so I guess paper clips are professional tools... Of course if you are a person in an office who uses paper clips to hold documents together, then you would no doubt want "professional" paper clips, and not those little colored plastic coated ones that this engineer used. They are only for amateurs. At the risk of sounding non-philosophical about this whole discussion, I'll say that what I consider a professional camera is one that has a high resolution B&W viewfinder, has a "real" lens as opposed to the electronic ones, generates SMPTE bars, time code, has two XLR inputs, has all manual controls for video and audio, and allows you to reset time code and turn on the bars with knobs and buttons instead of having to go into the menu. That would mean my DSR500 is a professional camera and my DSR250 is not. But that doesn't mean I can't make nice pictures with the 250 on occasion.