Tired of TV Logos? at DVinfo.net

Kirk Messner · December 23rd, 2003, 08:34 PM

An interesting forum. Too bad there's no DeCSS for TV logos :)

http://forum.logofreetv.org/

Rick Bravo · December 24th, 2003, 12:52 AM

As a cameraman, I hate anything that is placed in "my" picture that I did not include myself, but...

if you look at it from a pragmatic point of view, it actually makes sense given the growing number of channels that are available to a viewer today.

I may be dating myself but, when I was growing up in NYC, we had Channels 2,4,5,7,9, and 11; oh yes, and let us not forget Channel 13 in the UHF range! Chances were that you could figure out what you were watching without going through too much fuss.

In today's market, it is almost necessary to have the station or channel "bug" in a corner to help identify where the hell you are in never ending "land of the channels".

What truly gets my goat is the "shrinking screen" syndrome that has taken over TV since the 9-11 attacks. The bug, the ticker, the banners, the current temperatures, the stock report, the "everything" they could think of to put in your poor, defensless TV screen.

I, for one, DO NOT NEED, all of this info, at-a-glance!

I say, keep the bugs...lose all of the other crap that is encroaching on our pictures!!!

Whew, I feel better already!

RB

Riad Deeb · December 29th, 2003, 12:05 PM

i vote show everything in widescreen and put the bugs and ticker in the black bars and keep our pictures clean

Christopher C. Murphy · December 29th, 2003, 12:26 PM

It's going to get worse before it gets better. I'm with you on the television bugs, but..

What is truly worse...the television commercials at the beginning of movies! I hate it, I hate it! It's the worst thing to sit there watching commercials after forking out $9.00...unreal.

I boo and yell at them and say, "Don't buy their products because we just paid to get away from commercials and here they are playing them!"

Everyone check this out:

http://www.nomovieads.com/

Phil Reams · December 29th, 2003, 02:26 PM

What I really hate about bugs is the screen-burn potential. A friend of mine (okay, okay--me--before I knew better!) used to keep his 40-inch 16x9 Toshiba rear projection TV on MSNBC for background noise while working on projects.

Guess what? There's a nice little MSNBC bug burned right into the phosphors now. Nice.

Hmmm... Liability-wise, I wonder if they will buy me a new TV, since they were negligent in using due care to prevent damage while watching their channel? *grin*

-Phil

Mike Butler · January 9th, 2004, 06:09 PM

For the ultimate "shrinking screen" it's Bloomberg TV, with all the charts, tickers, and other graphic noise, the talking head is reduced to "picture in picture" status. Yeah, I know it's a "business" channel, but DANG!

Nick Kerpchar · January 12th, 2004, 09:28 AM

Chris,
You hit the nail on the head. Not only boycot the product, but write to the company and tell them you are fed up with their advertising and/or commercial and won't be purchasing it. If enough people will do that then there is a chance for improvement. Without it, it will and is getting worse!

Mike Butler · January 12th, 2004, 11:08 AM

Actually Rick, Channel 13 is still in the VHF range, but in NYC (or North Jersey actually) that's the PBS outlet, so the programming was quite different from the network affiliates and other commercial channels. UHF is channels 14-83. Not to be semantic or anything. :-)

Christopher C. Murphy · January 13th, 2004, 01:09 PM

Hey, I made a post to another forum on here regarding a great idea for stopping movie commercials. Check it out:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...hlight=mystery

Jeff Farris · January 13th, 2004, 04:52 PM

I wouldn't mind the ID bugs -- IF -- they would quit animating them and using them to do show promos -- AND -- they would leave them on during commercials, when we really need them!

Gints Klimanis · January 13th, 2004, 05:44 PM

For unanimated logos, isn't plasma screen burn-in an issue?
I've bypassed this issue by buying a CRT with a fantastic picture (Sony Wega40 XBR). heh heh

Robert Knecht Schmidt · January 13th, 2004, 05:50 PM

Yes, plasma screens are susceptible to burn-in, which makes watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 plasma set an experience akin to watching TV in a funhouse mirror.

LCD screens don't suffer from burn-in.

Mike Butler · January 13th, 2004, 07:00 PM

Hmmm, do DLP projectors suffer from burn-in? Or is that a moot point cuz you turn them off to save bulb life?

Robert Knecht Schmidt · January 13th, 2004, 07:11 PM

No burn-in on DMDs.

Christopher C. Murphy · January 13th, 2004, 07:24 PM

I have a HDTV Rear Projection - has burn in problem if I leave the thing on.

I've got to say that it's a real pain in the arse dealing with it. You can't leave the room for 10 minutes...stressful.

Murph

December 23rd, 2003, 08:34 PM	#1
Kirk Messner Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fowlerville, MI Posts: 51	Tired of TV Logos? An interesting forum. Too bad there's no DeCSS for TV logos :) http://forum.logofreetv.org/

December 24th, 2003, 12:52 AM	#2
Rick Bravo Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 574	900+ Channels? As a cameraman, I hate anything that is placed in "my" picture that I did not include myself, but... if you look at it from a pragmatic point of view, it actually makes sense given the growing number of channels that are available to a viewer today. I may be dating myself but, when I was growing up in NYC, we had Channels 2,4,5,7,9, and 11; oh yes, and let us not forget Channel 13 in the UHF range! Chances were that you could figure out what you were watching without going through too much fuss. In today's market, it is almost necessary to have the station or channel "bug" in a corner to help identify where the hell you are in never ending "land of the channels". What truly gets my goat is the "shrinking screen" syndrome that has taken over TV since the 9-11 attacks. The bug, the ticker, the banners, the current temperatures, the stock report, the "everything" they could think of to put in your poor, defensless TV screen. I, for one, DO NOT NEED, all of this info, at-a-glance! I say, keep the bugs...lose all of the other crap that is encroaching on our pictures!!! Whew, I feel better already! RB __________________ "The future ain't what it used to be." Yogi Berra. www.rbravo.com

December 29th, 2003, 12:26 PM	#4
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	No ads at the movies!!! It's going to get worse before it gets better. I'm with you on the television bugs, but.. What is truly worse...the television commercials at the beginning of movies! I hate it, I hate it! It's the worst thing to sit there watching commercials after forking out $9.00...unreal. I boo and yell at them and say, "Don't buy their products because we just paid to get away from commercials and here they are playing them!" Everyone check this out: http://www.nomovieads.com/ __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

December 29th, 2003, 02:26 PM	#5
Phil Reams Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 60	What I really hate about bugs is the screen-burn potential. A friend of mine (okay, okay--me--before I knew better!) used to keep his 40-inch 16x9 Toshiba rear projection TV on MSNBC for background noise while working on projects. Guess what? There's a nice little MSNBC bug burned right into the phosphors now. Nice. Hmmm... Liability-wise, I wonder if they will buy me a new TV, since they were negligent in using due care to prevent damage while watching their channel? grin -Phil __________________ Phil Reams Timeless Studio Productions Clearwater, Florida FCC Licensed Electronics Technician (GROL) Amateur Radio - KC4UVU Life Member of the PSHA - Pinnacle Studio Haters of America

January 9th, 2004, 06:09 PM	#6
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	For the ultimate "shrinking screen" it's Bloomberg TV, with all the charts, tickers, and other graphic noise, the talking head is reduced to "picture in picture" status. Yeah, I know it's a "business" channel, but DANG! __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

December 29th, 2003, 12:05 PM	#3
Riad Deeb New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9	i vote show everything in widescreen and put the bugs and ticker in the black bars and keep our pictures clean

January 12th, 2004, 09:28 AM	#7
Nick Kerpchar Major Player Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 211	Chris, You hit the nail on the head. Not only boycot the product, but write to the company and tell them you are fed up with their advertising and/or commercial and won't be purchasing it. If enough people will do that then there is a chance for improvement. Without it, it will and is getting worse!

January 12th, 2004, 11:08 AM	#8
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	Actually Rick, Channel 13 is still in the VHF range, but in NYC (or North Jersey actually) that's the PBS outlet, so the programming was quite different from the network affiliates and other commercial channels. UHF is channels 14-83. Not to be semantic or anything. :-) __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

January 13th, 2004, 01:09 PM	#9
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Great idea on stopping movie commercials Hey, I made a post to another forum on here regarding a great idea for stopping movie commercials. Check it out: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...hlight=mystery __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

January 13th, 2004, 04:52 PM	#10
Jeff Farris Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 102	I wouldn't mind the ID bugs -- IF -- they would quit animating them and using them to do show promos -- AND -- they would leave them on during commercials, when we really need them! __________________ Jeff Farris

January 13th, 2004, 05:44 PM	#11
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	For unanimated logos, isn't plasma screen burn-in an issue? I've bypassed this issue by buying a CRT with a fantastic picture (Sony Wega40 XBR). heh heh

January 13th, 2004, 05:50 PM	#12
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Yes, plasma screens are susceptible to burn-in, which makes watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 plasma set an experience akin to watching TV in a funhouse mirror. LCD screens don't suffer from burn-in. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 13th, 2004, 07:00 PM	#13
Mike Butler Machinist Mate Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southern Connecticut Posts: 644	Hmmm, do DLP projectors suffer from burn-in? Or is that a moot point cuz you turn them off to save bulb life? __________________ I ain't straight outta Compton, I'm straight out the trailer. Cuss like a sailor, drink like a Mc. My only words of wisdom are just, "Radio Edit."

January 13th, 2004, 07:11 PM	#14
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	No burn-in on DMDs. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 13th, 2004, 07:24 PM	#15
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	I have a HDTV Rear Projection - has burn in problem if I leave the thing on. I've got to say that it's a real pain in the arse dealing with it. You can't leave the room for 10 minutes...stressful. Murph __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer