OK, making porn...

Witold Chrabaszcz · January 1st, 2004, 04:53 PM

The days of making a quick buck in online porn are long over. These days, you will need to figure out why someone should buy your product when it is so readily available for free, or for next to nothing from a flood of competitors.

It's just like any business.

That said, by starting your own site, you are trying to become an expert in:
1) Production
2) Talent scouting/search
3) Hosting
4) Promotion
5) Online commerce

You fail in one of these jobs, and you will probably fail overall.

That's waaaay to much to start with, unless you have some great new idea that will focus on a niche market no one has discovered yet.

Therefore, instead of focusing on on becoming an expert in 5+ things at once, I would recommend choosing one and selling it to others. Sometimes it's not the goldminers that get rich, but the surrounding businesses that cater to goldminers.

Trent O Connor · January 1st, 2004, 05:12 PM

Thanks for your input.
Mines the latter. I have an idea that as far as I know hasn't been done before. I want free clips and pics to bring people to the site to get interest in the idea.

Marc Young · January 8th, 2004, 01:09 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Witold Chrabaszcz : The days of making a quick buck in porn are long over.-->>>

I concur. The market is awash in amateur dvds which are lucky to see local distribution. The big players in the business, Wicked and Vivid, spend between $25,000 to 100,000 on a production. They don't use the same video cameras as we hobbyists and semi-pros. Their cameras are the Sony, JVC, and Panasonic models costing $10,000 and up. If you watch the making of Sex Safari, you'll see this expensive gear, as well as hydraulic camera mounts, cranes and dollies.

On the internet, you have to also compete with the big players, including the two mentioned adult video companies, as well as Playboy Enterprises.

Trent O Connor · January 8th, 2004, 05:38 AM

Yeah, this is why I really need to come up with the caaital to make the original idea and it's interlinked website instead of the heavily beaten path of all the others.
Just need to get funding from people who dont mind investing in porn - not easy!

Andres Lucero · January 8th, 2004, 01:18 PM

Dugmor from Montreal (www.dugmor.com) uses two VX2000's to produce material for a handful of his sites. E-mail him and he'll happily to send you some clips to check out the quality. He may even be interested in co-producing your content, if you have an unusual concept.

For DVD distribution, there is a lot of competition, but not from big studios like Vivid, IMO. Check out AMVC videos (do a search) to see the kind of content/quality you're up a against. Using a DV camera and proper lighting puts you above and beyond many amateur producers these days.

For web video I would suggest encoding in WMV instead of/in addition to Quicktime. You will lose too many customers if you become stubborn about the format. You can produce average content and still make it big with great marketing, so your focus should be on bringing in customers and, once they've signed up, keeping them at your site as long as possible.

Finally, if you have any adult-related questions, you should try getting advice on other boards like GFY forums (do a search), but be prepared to wade through a lot of useless posts and bitter battles.

Trent O Connor · January 8th, 2004, 01:39 PM

Thanks for the info, Andres, I check it all out. I appreciate the post.

John Hudson · January 8th, 2004, 05:59 PM

LOL

There should be a whole new thread category for you guys. They could call it the Projectionist Room or Popcorn Boys.

January 8th, 2004, 01:18 PM	#20
Andres Lucero Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 75	Dugmor from Montreal (www.dugmor.com) uses two VX2000's to produce material for a handful of his sites. E-mail him and he'll happily to send you some clips to check out the quality. He may even be interested in co-producing your content, if you have an unusual concept. For DVD distribution, there is a lot of competition, but not from big studios like Vivid, IMO. Check out AMVC videos (do a search) to see the kind of content/quality you're up a against. Using a DV camera and proper lighting puts you above and beyond many amateur producers these days. For web video I would suggest encoding in WMV instead of/in addition to Quicktime. You will lose too many customers if you become stubborn about the format. You can produce average content and still make it big with great marketing, so your focus should be on bringing in customers and, once they've signed up, keeping them at your site as long as possible. Finally, if you have any adult-related questions, you should try getting advice on other boards like GFY forums (do a search), but be prepared to wade through a lot of useless posts and bitter battles. __________________ "Oy... Aim it downhill."

January 1st, 2004, 04:53 PM	#16
Witold Chrabaszcz New Boot Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: rtys Posts: 12	The days of making a quick buck in online porn are long over. These days, you will need to figure out why someone should buy your product when it is so readily available for free, or for next to nothing from a flood of competitors. It's just like any business. That said, by starting your own site, you are trying to become an expert in: 1) Production 2) Talent scouting/search 3) Hosting 4) Promotion 5) Online commerce You fail in one of these jobs, and you will probably fail overall. That's waaaay to much to start with, unless you have some great new idea that will focus on a niche market no one has discovered yet. Therefore, instead of focusing on on becoming an expert in 5+ things at once, I would recommend choosing one and selling it to others. Sometimes it's not the goldminers that get rich, but the surrounding businesses that cater to goldminers.

January 1st, 2004, 05:12 PM	#17
Trent O Connor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 94	Thanks for your input. Mines the latter. I have an idea that as far as I know hasn't been done before. I want free clips and pics to bring people to the site to get interest in the idea.

January 8th, 2004, 01:09 AM	#18
Marc Young Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 112	<<<-- Originally posted by Witold Chrabaszcz : The days of making a quick buck in porn are long over.-->>> I concur. The market is awash in amateur dvds which are lucky to see local distribution. The big players in the business, Wicked and Vivid, spend between $25,000 to 100,000 on a production. They don't use the same video cameras as we hobbyists and semi-pros. Their cameras are the Sony, JVC, and Panasonic models costing $10,000 and up. If you watch the making of Sex Safari, you'll see this expensive gear, as well as hydraulic camera mounts, cranes and dollies. On the internet, you have to also compete with the big players, including the two mentioned adult video companies, as well as Playboy Enterprises.

January 8th, 2004, 05:38 AM	#19
Trent O Connor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 94	Yeah, this is why I really need to come up with the caaital to make the original idea and it's interlinked website instead of the heavily beaten path of all the others. Just need to get funding from people who dont mind investing in porn - not easy!

January 8th, 2004, 01:39 PM	#21
Trent O Connor Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hertfordshire, UK Posts: 94	Thanks for the info, Andres, I check it all out. I appreciate the post.

January 8th, 2004, 05:59 PM	#22
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	LOL There should be a whole new thread category for you guys. They could call it the Projectionist Room or Popcorn Boys.