Will April 18th be the second coming? at DVinfo.net

Glenn Gipson · April 9th, 2005, 06:04 AM

Will April 18th (NAB) be the day that changes Indie filmmaking, for a second time? We all know that digital filmmaking exploded on the scene with the VX1000. Low budget aspiring movie makers could now make movies at a fraction of the cost of making a movie with film. However, these digital camcorders were limited in their resolution, their ability to mimic the motion of film (24p), their latitude, and to some degree, their ability to simulate the aspect ratio of film (no true 16:9.) In other words, the first breed of digital camcorders were not necessarily meant for filmmaking. My question is, do you all think that the new breed of digital indie cams (now more tailored to our needs then before) will usher in a second low budget filmmaking revolution? Or will they change the game very little?

Richard Alvarez · April 9th, 2005, 08:20 AM

Incremental changes.

Mark Williams · April 9th, 2005, 09:58 AM

I think most of us, even though costs are going down, will remain in the SD format world for years to come. It's nice to dream though.

Regards,

Mark

Heath McKnight · April 9th, 2005, 11:01 AM

This thread may be better in the JVC HDV board, because I'm guessing that's what you're talking about, Glenn, the HD-100 from JVC.

heath

Mathieu Ghekiere · April 9th, 2005, 11:22 AM

I think with the fact that now that you will get camera's with resolution that's good enough to blow up for the big sceen for a very decent price, it's going to be a major change for many indie filmmakers, because if you make a movie on a budget, and you want to sell it, the picture quality of "DV" will not be so very remarkable anymore.

Allthough I agree with Mark too: many people will stay in the SD format for a long while...
Many people in Belgium even don't know what HD is...
That's why I think the resolution HD gives is more important for the indie filmmakers (blow ups) then for newsgroups (the little screen, who already has a television that can show HD? Not that many...)

Glenn Gipson · April 9th, 2005, 11:43 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : This thread may be better in the JVC HDV board, because I'm guessing that's what you're talking about, Glenn, the HD-100 from JVC.

heath -->>>

Well I was talking about the P2 camera as well, and how it, and the JVC camera, would effect Indie Filmmaking.

Heath McKnight · April 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM

I'm gonna move this again to the TOTEM board.

heath

Laurence Maher · April 10th, 2005, 01:25 AM

I think the biggest changer will be the panasonic. They seem to be doing it right for the last several years. I think they're out for the filmmaking crowd, you know.

Heath McKnight · April 10th, 2005, 08:29 AM

laurence,

They totally are--the DVX100A is the most amazing camera I've used. Sure, I love the FX1, but the DVX100A is great! Maybe the HDX100 (is that right) will rock the world, too!

heath

John Hudson · April 11th, 2005, 01:27 AM

I honestly thought with the advent of the DVX100 that this was the day "that changes Indie filmmaking".
It was for me :/ :p : }

Josh Brusin · April 18th, 2005, 06:43 AM

7 years ago I borrowed 3000 to buy an XL1 off of ebay. It shot 30p, had xlr mic inputs, used that SUPER-COOL pixel shift technology and changed "my world."

Then Apple did it with Final Cut Pro v.1

Then Discreet did it with Combustion 2.1... particle generation, truly awesome color correction, tracking, etc...

Then mini35 changed the way I shoot...

Then they started making those 300 watt equivalent flourescent bulbs and I stopped carrrying gloves around...

Now it looks like JVC is doing it again... FCP 5 is out today, Soundtrack should be a crime... Combustion 4...

So the long and the short of it is that I have all this great stuff for sale! Email Me!

Heath McKnight · April 18th, 2005, 07:21 AM

FCP 5 comes out in about 6 weeks.

heath

Luis Caffesse · April 18th, 2005, 07:31 AM

"So the long and the short of it is that I have all this great stuff for sale! Email Me!"

Hahhaah, nice Josh.
:)

April 9th, 2005, 06:04 AM	#1
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Will April 18th be the second coming? Will April 18th (NAB) be the day that changes Indie filmmaking, for a second time? We all know that digital filmmaking exploded on the scene with the VX1000. Low budget aspiring movie makers could now make movies at a fraction of the cost of making a movie with film. However, these digital camcorders were limited in their resolution, their ability to mimic the motion of film (24p), their latitude, and to some degree, their ability to simulate the aspect ratio of film (no true 16:9.) In other words, the first breed of digital camcorders were not necessarily meant for filmmaking. My question is, do you all think that the new breed of digital indie cams (now more tailored to our needs then before) will usher in a second low budget filmmaking revolution? Or will they change the game very little?

April 9th, 2005, 11:01 AM	#4
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	This thread may be better in the JVC HDV board, because I'm guessing that's what you're talking about, Glenn, the HD-100 from JVC. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 9th, 2005, 12:03 PM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I'm gonna move this again to the TOTEM board. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 10th, 2005, 08:29 AM	#9
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	laurence, They totally are--the DVX100A is the most amazing camera I've used. Sure, I love the FX1, but the DVX100A is great! Maybe the HDX100 (is that right) will rock the world, too! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 18th, 2005, 07:21 AM	#12
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	FCP 5 comes out in about 6 weeks. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 9th, 2005, 08:20 AM	#2
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Incremental changes.

April 9th, 2005, 09:58 AM	#3
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	I think most of us, even though costs are going down, will remain in the SD format world for years to come. It's nice to dream though. Regards, Mark

April 9th, 2005, 11:22 AM	#5
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	I think with the fact that now that you will get camera's with resolution that's good enough to blow up for the big sceen for a very decent price, it's going to be a major change for many indie filmmakers, because if you make a movie on a budget, and you want to sell it, the picture quality of "DV" will not be so very remarkable anymore. Allthough I agree with Mark too: many people will stay in the SD format for a long while... Many people in Belgium even don't know what HD is... That's why I think the resolution HD gives is more important for the indie filmmakers (blow ups) then for newsgroups (the little screen, who already has a television that can show HD? Not that many...)

April 9th, 2005, 11:43 AM	#6
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : This thread may be better in the JVC HDV board, because I'm guessing that's what you're talking about, Glenn, the HD-100 from JVC. heath -->>> Well I was talking about the P2 camera as well, and how it, and the JVC camera, would effect Indie Filmmaking.

April 10th, 2005, 01:25 AM	#8
Laurence Maher Join Date: May 2004 Location: denton, texas, usa Posts: 416	I think the biggest changer will be the panasonic. They seem to be doing it right for the last several years. I think they're out for the filmmaking crowd, you know.

April 11th, 2005, 01:27 AM	#10
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	I honestly thought with the advent of the DVX100 that this was the day "that changes Indie filmmaking". It was for me :/ :p : }

April 18th, 2005, 06:43 AM	#11
Josh Brusin Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	7 years ago I borrowed 3000 to buy an XL1 off of ebay. It shot 30p, had xlr mic inputs, used that SUPER-COOL pixel shift technology and changed "my world." Then Apple did it with Final Cut Pro v.1 Then Discreet did it with Combustion 2.1... particle generation, truly awesome color correction, tracking, etc... Then mini35 changed the way I shoot... Then they started making those 300 watt equivalent flourescent bulbs and I stopped carrrying gloves around... Now it looks like JVC is doing it again... FCP 5 is out today, Soundtrack should be a crime... Combustion 4... So the long and the short of it is that I have all this great stuff for sale! Email Me!

April 18th, 2005, 07:31 AM	#13
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	"So the long and the short of it is that I have all this great stuff for sale! Email Me!" Hahhaah, nice Josh. :) __________________ Luis Caffesse Pitch Productions Austin, Texas