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Old September 20th, 2009, 11:04 AM   #16
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This discussion shamed me into getting a better tripod, so I looked on craigslist for a used rig....well I found a Bogen 3021 silver legged tripod. Asking $100 I gave him $80, threaded on my 3160 fluid head and I now have a solid base for my V1U !! Its a heck of an upgrade for me, I should chuck that other thing I've got in the trash. What a difference ...wow ! Thanks guys, now I need a leveler...
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Old January 8th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #17
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Sachtler Soom is the best tripod in my opinion for HDV cameras. It costs nearly $3k, but it is everything that you would want a tripod to be.
Sachtler | 0480 FSB-6 with Soom and Tri-Spreader | 0480 | B&H
I had the opportunity to shoot a few shots with a HPX170 mounted to one of these a few weeks back. I have this to say: Super smooth.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 07:17 PM   #18
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As Les stated, the 501 and the 503 are not up to the task for HD shooting. Please re-consider your choices, and look at a Sachtler FSB-4 or FSB-6 fluid head. There is no comparison at all, the the results will be painfully obvious in your final footage.
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Old January 10th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #19
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Hi all,

Thanks for the great replies. I gave up looking for a new tripod for awhile. One comment, my tripod I am using now for the cost works ok. I never felt it was going to break at least. It has the center column Y brace that adds a lot to the stability. I would never leave my camera on the tripod out doors and walk away from it as I don't trust this tripod that much. In doors not as much of a problem if someone does not knock it over. Because the head is made for a 35mm still camera I have to lock the head down pretty tight to keep the camera from swinging forward, if that is the correct terminology. I had a chance to try at the local camera store a Bogan 503 and 701, or was it the 501 which ever the bigger head size is. These seem OK but slow when it comes to panning. Am I right? There is no adjustment to change the speed. Some times I am taking video that need a slow but fluid movement and other times while taking tennis videos sitting next to the court I seed a fast pan to keep up with the action. My current tripod works pretty good for this type of motion although I have never used anything better. I am not arguing with the people that say to get a really good tripod I just don't know what that is and spending 2-3K on one with out that knowledge is hard for me to do. That's why I might eventually get a little bit cheeper tripod for now even if that means I will be getting a better one latter. I am glad I got to use an VHS-C video camera for a while before investing in the FX7. This allowed for a better purchase as to what I really needed and didn't need. I wish there were local places where I can try out tripods before I buy like buying a tennis racquet. I never buy a tennis racquet without trying at test 10 different ones first. The rental fee is only about $10 us and some places will even put that money towards the purchase of the racquet. Tennis racquets are upwards of $240 us. I do agree that I have a hard time leveling the legs on my current tripod and it takes a long time. It would be nice to have a bowl system, if that is the correct term, for this but I could probably go without it if I needed to.

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Old January 21st, 2010, 08:25 PM   #20
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As Les stated, the 501 and the 503 are not up to the task for HD shooting. Please re-consider your choices, and look at a Sachtler FSB-4 or FSB-6 fluid head. There is no comparison at all, the the results will be painfully obvious in your final footage.
I would have to respectfully disagree. I bought both the Sachtler FSB6 and the 503HDV at the same time with the FSB6 costing about three times the 503HDV. My thought was that I would use the more expensive tripod most of the time.

However I had bought the 503HDV with a Bogen Manfrotto tripod with the center column crank and the FSB6 with just a regular Satchtler tripod (I forget the model numbers)

Since I am mostly filming weddings and smal music venues it turns out the 503HDV on the tripod that cranks up high over peoples heads is the setup I use most.

I do agree that the FSB6 is a better head and a tad smoother but I get excellent results with the 503HDV.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 02:03 PM   #21
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How do you find the speed of the 503 head? I guess it all depends on the type of video you are shooting. I have never done any Wedding video but it seems like you would not need a very fast panning head for that type of work just a very smooth pan.

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Old February 2nd, 2010, 02:48 PM   #22
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It's been a while since anyone responded, so I'll jump in.

I'm not an expert, nor a high-level pro like many of the other shooters here, but I have to say both the Manfrotto 503 and the 503HDV work just fine for me, for what they are and what they cost. I never have a problem achieving very smooth pans and tilts with either, as fast or as slow as I want.

Would I love to be able to afford four $2,000 heads for the multicam work we do? Sure. There's no doubt in my mind that the Vintens and Sachtlers and other heads costing as much as a car are better, and probably much better. But for the price, I think the Manfrottos are very good values and they perform -- at least for me -- as advertised. I get a little annoyed when people compare a $350 head to a head costing three or five or ten times as much and say the cheaper one is crap. I shoot exclusively HDV on Z5s and I've never had a problem with the heads that wasn't due to operator error (aka me being a clumsy idiot and hitting the cam with my elbow).

By the way, John, love the photos. How did you get the tripod to stick to the wall like that?
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Old February 4th, 2010, 11:10 AM   #23
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Many other voices besides mine state that the 503 and 503 HDV are not suitable for HD footage. Regarding height, the Sachtler Soom system addresses this issue.
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Old February 8th, 2010, 03:38 PM   #24
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Thanks for the extra information/ thoughts. I am not sure what you are referring to about the photos unless you are just kidding. All I did was to place the tripods in front of a white wall and take some stills. I was able to do this with some other items and them cut them out of the background using Photoshop to use in my custom DVD menus.

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It's been a while since anyone responded, so I'll jump in.

I'm not an expert, nor a high-level pro like many of the other shooters here, but I have to say both the Manfrotto 503 and the 503HDV work just fine for me, for what they are and what they cost. I never have a problem achieving very smooth pans and tilts with either, as fast or as slow as I want.

Would I love to be able to afford four $2,000 heads for the multicam work we do? Sure. There's no doubt in my mind that the Vintens and Sachtlers and other heads costing as much as a car are better, and probably much better. But for the price, I think the Manfrottos are very good values and they perform -- at least for me -- as advertised. I get a little annoyed when people compare a $350 head to a head costing three or five or ten times as much and say the cheaper one is crap. I shoot exclusively HDV on Z5s and I've never had a problem with the heads that wasn't due to operator error (aka me being a clumsy idiot and hitting the cam with my elbow).

By the way, John, love the photos. How did you get the tripod to stick to the wall like that?
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Old February 10th, 2010, 06:31 PM   #25
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Yes, it was a joke. The photos are all sideways.
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