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Old February 24th, 2003, 06:33 AM   #1
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Tips on paning

Any tips on a good (if not proper) way to do a 365 degree pan? I've tried walking around the tripod but felf the move a bit jerky - I've tried sitting down underneath the tripod and turing the head with a little better results. I'm open to any and all suggestions.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 06:45 AM   #2
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I would ask myself if that kind of a pan really is needed. A pan longer than 90 degrees will leave the viewer disorientated, and as you said, it will be difficult in making it smooth.

But if you do need it, it is just a case of trial and error. Just remember to make it really slow - otherwise it wouldn't make sense to have it at all...

Good luck anyway
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Old February 24th, 2003, 08:21 AM   #3
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On the rare occasion I need a 360 degree pan I walk it around. The jerkiness is probably the result of having to step around the legs of the tripod. I extend the tripods pan handle so that I can walk without tripping over the legs. If you handle does not extend, I suggest getting a tube or pipe and fastening it to the handle with gaffers tape.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 09:17 AM   #4
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Thanks for the replies. I'm thinking that in the middle of nowhere I might want to give the viewer the impression of being isolated thus the 360 pan. I guess that I can clean any jerky moves up in editing. Again thanks - also sorry I posted in the wrong spot! I guess I'm still feeling my way around here.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 10:22 AM   #5
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Don:

Because the viewer "sees" the image in a very different way psychologically than the camera, making a full 360 pan does necessarily have the same effect as if one was standing in that environment. It can be an interesting thing to do visually for one reason or another, but after 180 degrees or so the viewer has lost track of where in the rotation the camera is seeing, something that we as humans retain if we were to spin in place. You can probably achieve the effect you are looking for with a few well-composed shots cut together in a montage, as well as careful sound design.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 10:40 AM   #6
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i agree with Charles. if the person was drugged, in a crowded, chaotic environment, then it might be a good effect to throw in there. i would personally use cuts of the character looking left and right with L/R POV shots in between.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 10:42 AM   #7
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Don,

Excuse me if I don't know what I am talking about, but would something like this Bescor MP-101 motorized pan head do the job fairly cheap?

http://www.bescor.com/Accessories/tripods.htm

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Old February 24th, 2003, 11:29 AM   #8
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Thank-you one and all for all the responses. All have given me information and made me think and rethink my "project". Once again this board has come to the forefront with its knowledge. I currently have 31 years experience in aviation security. I can sleep eat and do anything concerning this subject. HOWEVER, I've got less than 1 year experience in this endevor. This all a long winded way of saying thank-you.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 11:46 AM   #9
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None of the inexpensive power pan heads actually turn 360 degrees.

The Bescor does about 190, the Sunpack does 90.

There is a full 360 pan head somewhere out there. The real estate guys use them for the quick and dirty home tours for realtors.

The continuous rotation is to me, very uncomfortable . . . disorienting really.

I believe most of not all motion picture 'look-arounds' are of the pan and stop category. The camera pans about 90 degrees from a former position and then stops to allow the audience to look.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 03:35 PM   #10
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??Panning??,

If you have a "padded" situation, you can do the 360 without too much problem. By padded, I mean a shot where you are not constantly adjusting the frame. You suggest that you will be showing lonelyness.

Might I suggest the following: Tie a string (cord) to the pan handle. Walk your self around the shot, with the head locked horizontally. Make the line long enough to avoid your shadow('s).

No gurantee that this will solve your problem; but, you know the situation better than any one else.

It will probably take a few runs at it. Pratice makes perfect.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 04:49 PM   #11
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Yeah, just to add my .02, if you want the viewer to seem disoriented etc. then maybe a handheld pan that is a little jerky and stops at certain places would make more of a perspective disorientation "frantic" shot. But I could just be a moron :D
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Old February 24th, 2003, 05:11 PM   #12
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Is there a reason why these Bescor products are so cheap? I
haven't seen a fluid head tripod for that amount of money here
yet etc.
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Old February 24th, 2003, 07:14 PM   #13
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Yes, I'm also VERY curious about these Bescor tripods. If they aren't completely terrible and are in fact a fluid head, wouldn't this be a great choice for a beginning tripod? The TX-25 is still a fluid head and seem great for 5lb and under dv camcorders and only costs 60 bucks! I might look into a tx-25...
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Old February 25th, 2003, 07:31 AM   #14
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Anyone on this? Why are they so "cheap"? Any handson
experience anyone?
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Old February 25th, 2003, 04:02 PM   #15
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Having rethought my plan I can see where it would not be the best course to do a 360 pan. 90 to 180 appears to fit what I'm attempting to do - show the vastness of the great SW. Thanks again.
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