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Old January 24th, 2002, 12:16 PM   #1
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Tripod heads

I was just reading about the Bogen 501 and 503 heads.

I was thinking of going with the 503 because of the spring. I just read in a different thread that the spring was kind of bad because it tries to re-center itself.

I use the 3063 right now and while it's good (maybe great) for handicams, I haven't been totally happy with it on the XL1. Once you add some drag to keep it from "dropping," it gets too sticky for my taste. I shoot from a balcony down a level, sometimes with the 1.6 extender and felt the spring in the 503 might be better.

So which one is it? the 501 or 503?

I'd just like to balance out the center of gravity. Any heads in the $200 range which allow this? I might just make a counter weight and live with it.

Also what about the "ball" designs?
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Old January 24th, 2002, 12:28 PM   #2
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Hi JoPhoto,

Despite all the advise to the contrary, I've been "getting by" fine with the 501 for quite a while. It does require a bit steadier hand...and in this respect, buying the extra pan handle for the left side can help quite a bit. I trust everyone's opinion here that the 503 is smoother...I just didn't have that available on hand to try when I bought my 501.

My thinking is this, though...until my budget allows laying down the cash for something like a Miller setup (something I drooled over when I bought the 501 but couldn't bring myself to putting down that much cash on the table), getting by as cheaply as possible is best.

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Old January 25th, 2002, 03:28 AM   #3
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I here everyone talking about Miller now. I was wondering
if this company has a website and in what price range they
sell their "perfect" systems.

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Old January 25th, 2002, 03:49 AM   #4
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Complete Millers, sticks and head, are close to $2000 USD. Will get more info for you as soon as I can. They are definitely out of *my* price range but I'd love to have one.
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Old February 1st, 2002, 08:12 AM   #5
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Does anyone have any info on the Libec/Mathews series, specifically the LS-35? I was told by a dealer that sells both Bogen and Mathews that the LS-35 was by far a better tripod and better deal for the money. He was talking in the $550 range for complete setup, head, legs, spreader. Any info would be great as I am planning on getting something soon!

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Old February 1st, 2002, 05:44 PM   #6
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I found this site on Google concerning Miller tripods. I didn't actually check out the site, but it seems to be the Miller company.

http://www.miller.com.au/miller_network.htm
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Old February 1st, 2002, 08:17 PM   #7
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Check out this link

http://www.miller.com.au/Product_Centre/index.htm

The DS5 and DS10 series systems are designed to suit the GL1/XL1
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Old February 1st, 2002, 08:30 PM   #8
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oops!

I later checked the site from google, and it didn't lead anywhere.

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Thanks, checking it out
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Old February 3rd, 2002, 12:28 AM   #10
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FWIW, I recently got a Miller DS10 rig for my XL1 / XL1s. It's absolutely a higher level of product engineering than the Bogen/Manfrotto line. And, indeed, it is designed with the XL1's characteristics in mind.
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Old February 3rd, 2002, 10:50 PM   #11
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I use an XL-1 with a Bogen 3221 tripod, with a 501 head, and a Bogen compact leveling head (BG3502, Adorama,$60+/-
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Old February 5th, 2002, 01:18 PM   #12
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I guess I should re-name the post, $500 tripods. Or Bogen 501 / 503 comparison.

My main concern is the droopyness of heads when cradling the xl1, sometimes with a 1.6x.

The spring factor is what interests as well as frightens me. I want to be able to have the head be loose enough for small movements, without the droop or springback complications.
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Old February 5th, 2002, 01:45 PM   #13
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We use the Bogen 501 with our XL-1. With just the standard camera, I have found that it has to be place as far back as possible to help prevent the droop. You may also have to tighten it up slightly which can sometimes lead to some jerky movements up and down. With the MA-100 and wireless receiver on the back, I have to place the camera as far forward as possible to get the right balance. But, the head itself performs very well. I believe it would perform even better using the optional second handle. And, you may want to consider using a longer handle to help smooth out the movements.
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Old July 25th, 2003, 10:42 PM   #14
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Re: Tripod heads

<<<-- Originally posted by John Klein : I was just reading about the Bogen 501 and 503 heads.

I use the 3063 right now and while it's good (maybe great) for handicams, I haven't been totally happy with it on the XL1. Once you add some drag to keep it from "dropping," it gets too sticky for my taste. I shoot from a balcony down a level, sometimes with the 1.6 extender and felt the spring in the 503 might be better.

So which one is it? the 501 or 503?-->>>

I know it was a long time ago since your post, but I'm in a similar decision point now with a vx2000, and I was wondering how your decision "panned" out? Which did you choose to replace your 3063, and was it a worthwhile upgrade?
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Old July 26th, 2003, 10:21 AM   #15
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I've posted this answer a couple of time here,
but when I was a NAB I tried every tripod I could find.
Miller, Libtec, Cartoni, Bogen, Sachtler, Gitzo, O'Conner and Vinten.

If you pay $2000, you'll like what you buy, don't misunderstand me, BUT
I went with the Vinten Vison 3 two stage. The cool thing about the
Vinten is that you can switch springs, so just the other day I went
from using a peewee EZ-30 on one shoot to a big Panasonic AJ-D400
the next. The bad thing is how "unengineered" the tripod plate
attaches.

IMO, the Vinten was also the smoothest of all. I am able to even
pan and get great results when using an XL1 w/ EOS/100-400 mm
at full zoom.
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