UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel at DVinfo.net

Steve Siegel · October 3rd, 2013, 07:19 AM

My entry this time is about slow motion photography, and how obtaining rapidly sequential images has changed over 120 years. But there is a question. Did I violate the rules? The UWOL rules state that no stock footage can be used in the contest. Does stock footage include very old, public domain still photos and drawings? I hope not.

The approach to the theme TIMING was to compare Eadweard Muybridge's pioneering photographic studies of moving subjects to what today's equipment is capable of. It's timing in the sense of slow motion as well as across the centuries. A documentary-like video using still photographs seemed like the best (and affordable) way to do it. I don't know if it is permitted. All the video, including the horserace, and the stills of the ducks and the egret were shot by me for UWOL.

I hope not to get disqualified, but if I do, it's a lesson learned. One rule that wasn't violated was #11, because this was a lot of fun to put together. The voice of the old narrator is me using VoxMorph voice-altering software. He sounds a whole lot better if you use headphones.

Steve Siegel · October 3rd, 2013, 07:22 AM

How do you get the video to embed?

Tim Lewis · October 3rd, 2013, 07:35 AM

I tried it too, the code looks right, but something isn't happening.

Lorinda Norton · October 3rd, 2013, 08:37 AM

That's odd; it should have embedded for you.

Okay, I tried it again and it worked. Once you make it public it should be okay.

Trond Saetre · October 3rd, 2013, 10:52 AM

Hi Steve,

Very cool to see the slow motion of birds flying.
And I like the effect of using old photographs. Worked well in my opinion.
Nice to see you try something different than the "standard normal" filming.

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As a side note:
I was also unable to embed anything from vimeo in my thread. The code showed up, but not the film.
Weird.
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Bryce Comer · October 3rd, 2013, 03:15 PM

Really interesting stuff Steve,
It was only recently that I read about the first motion pictures & the galloping horse etc. Fascinating stuff. I am off to the mountains again for a night or two so will have another look at your video when I am back & comment further then.
Thanks,
Bryce

Tim Lewis · October 3rd, 2013, 06:19 PM

Great work Steve. The flow of the narrative was excellent as were the accompanying images. I liked the slow move to colour with the swallow.

Bryce Comer · October 4th, 2013, 11:08 PM

Hi Steve,
Well I have managed to watch your film again & this time with headphones! Certainly made a difference to the audio quality, but I still felt the filter needs some work. I like the way it panned from side to side & faded in and out a little, mimicking old time audio, it's just that it sounded a little off to me. Maybe it is my system, but I will try to watch it on another computer to make sure it's not this one.
I have to say, your footage of the birds in slow motion is awesome! You really have the combination of frame rate to shutter speed dialled in perfectly! So that was all filmed at 720 60p? If so, it was beautifully sharp!
I also loved the story you told of the evolution of slow motion filming & where we're headed in the not too distant future!
Regards,
Bryce

Paul Wood · October 5th, 2013, 10:50 AM

Steve,

I thought it was a clever use of the theme, and was, as always, a pleasure to watch.

I didn't find the audio VO off-putting, although, as Bryce said, maybe a different filter would have given a better result - but that`s nit picking!

I like a good historical yarn, and your last films have provided that - I also liked the use of old footage/stills to tell the story from the narrator's point of view.

Thanks!

Bryce Comer · October 5th, 2013, 12:09 PM

Thanks Paul,
Your comments reminded me to go back again & look at Steve's film. Watching it on a different system I think it sounds better than what it did when I watched it the first couple of times. I have to say though, I am not convinced that filter has done justice to the lovely voice you have for narration. Your voice is truly mesmerizing, & a joy to listen to. The dialogue is brilliant & very informative and captivating. Your use of all the historical footage was brilliant & really helped tell your story.
Thanks for sharing,
Bryce

Gordon Hoffman · October 5th, 2013, 10:52 PM

Steve that was interesting. As mentioned the slow motoin was really nice. I don't really have a problem with the VO and it's not something I've ever tried. Anyway good job.

Gordon

Marj Atkins · October 7th, 2013, 03:48 AM

Steve
Your film is wonderful. It has an original and creative take on the theme and I found your story really fascinating. Your images of birds flying are quite stunning and in my opinion technically amazing – probably one of the hardest things to achieve in bird videography. I would really love to know what scope and camera you used for this.

I found the beginning of your story very difficult to follow with flickering pictures and muffled sound. I had to play your video about five times before I could understand what you were saying as the old man. I tried with earphones on different computers and nothing improved. Once I got the story I thought it was fantastic.

Geir Inge · October 7th, 2013, 10:06 AM

Steve, I like your film and it doesn't bother me that you're using stills.
You have a great history and I seccond Marj, I think it's an original take on the theme, nice work.
Audio is OK by me and suited the film.
Great to see those birds in slow motion.
All the best.
Geir Inge

Steve Siegel · October 7th, 2013, 10:51 AM

Marj,

Sorry about the audio. The consumer-quality voice modifier I use can't do any better. I would love to find a better product, but haven't seen one. These are mostly intended to be used in games, or to fool your friends on the phone (or a wayward spouse!, or if you are the wayward spouse!!). Quality is not one of their concerns. It is cheaper, however, than hiring a voice-over guy.

I am just using my Sony PMW EX3 with a Nikon 70-400 zoom mounted with a Mike Tapas adapter ring. The tripod head is a very old Manfrotto 516. Of course, since the shot is slowed down, you don't need very much good following to get useable footage. It is very hard. I wish I could afford a Miller or Vinten head, and had the back muscles to carry one.

Marj Atkins · October 11th, 2013, 10:10 AM

Thanks for your reply Steve. I thought you had used a scope to follow those birds, but yes, I suppose you only need to follow a short time to get enough footage. Really well done.

October 3rd, 2013, 07:22 AM	#2
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 839	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel How do you get the video to embed?

October 3rd, 2013, 07:35 AM	#3
Tim Lewis Major Player Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Perth, Western Australia. Posts: 591	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel I tried it too, the code looks right, but something isn't happening. __________________ Cheers Tim

October 3rd, 2013, 08:37 AM	#4
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel That's odd; it should have embedded for you. Okay, I tried it again and it worked. Once you make it public it should be okay. __________________ Lorinda

October 3rd, 2013, 10:52 AM	#5
Trond Saetre Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 3,375	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Hi Steve, Very cool to see the slow motion of birds flying. And I like the effect of using old photographs. Worked well in my opinion. Nice to see you try something different than the "standard normal" filming. ------ As a side note: I was also unable to embed anything from vimeo in my thread. The code showed up, but not the film. Weird. ------

October 3rd, 2013, 03:15 PM	#6
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Really interesting stuff Steve, It was only recently that I read about the first motion pictures & the galloping horse etc. Fascinating stuff. I am off to the mountains again for a night or two so will have another look at your video when I am back & comment further then. Thanks, Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

October 3rd, 2013, 07:19 AM	#1
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 839	UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel My entry this time is about slow motion photography, and how obtaining rapidly sequential images has changed over 120 years. But there is a question. Did I violate the rules? The UWOL rules state that no stock footage can be used in the contest. Does stock footage include very old, public domain still photos and drawings? I hope not. The approach to the theme TIMING was to compare Eadweard Muybridge's pioneering photographic studies of moving subjects to what today's equipment is capable of. It's timing in the sense of slow motion as well as across the centuries. A documentary-like video using still photographs seemed like the best (and affordable) way to do it. I don't know if it is permitted. All the video, including the horserace, and the stills of the ducks and the egret were shot by me for UWOL. I hope not to get disqualified, but if I do, it's a lesson learned. One rule that wasn't violated was #11, because this was a lot of fun to put together. The voice of the old narrator is me using VoxMorph voice-altering software. He sounds a whole lot better if you use headphones. UWOL Challenge 27, Steve Siegel: "How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill?" on Vimeo <iframe src="//player.vimeo.com/video/75904712" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/75904712">UWOL Challenge 27, Steve Siegel: "How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill?"</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user8310268">UWOL Challenge</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p> Last edited by Lorinda Norton; October 3rd, 2013 at 08:48 AM.

October 3rd, 2013, 06:19 PM	#7
Tim Lewis Major Player Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Perth, Western Australia. Posts: 591	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Great work Steve. The flow of the narrative was excellent as were the accompanying images. I liked the slow move to colour with the swallow. __________________ Cheers Tim

October 4th, 2013, 11:08 PM	#8
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Hi Steve, Well I have managed to watch your film again & this time with headphones! Certainly made a difference to the audio quality, but I still felt the filter needs some work. I like the way it panned from side to side & faded in and out a little, mimicking old time audio, it's just that it sounded a little off to me. Maybe it is my system, but I will try to watch it on another computer to make sure it's not this one. I have to say, your footage of the birds in slow motion is awesome! You really have the combination of frame rate to shutter speed dialled in perfectly! So that was all filmed at 720 60p? If so, it was beautifully sharp! I also loved the story you told of the evolution of slow motion filming & where we're headed in the not too distant future! Regards, Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

October 5th, 2013, 10:50 AM	#9
Paul Wood Major Player Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 485	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Steve, I thought it was a clever use of the theme, and was, as always, a pleasure to watch. I didn't find the audio VO off-putting, although, as Bryce said, maybe a different filter would have given a better result - but that`s nit picking! I like a good historical yarn, and your last films have provided that - I also liked the use of old footage/stills to tell the story from the narrator's point of view. Thanks!

October 5th, 2013, 12:09 PM	#10
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Thanks Paul, Your comments reminded me to go back again & look at Steve's film. Watching it on a different system I think it sounds better than what it did when I watched it the first couple of times. I have to say though, I am not convinced that filter has done justice to the lovely voice you have for narration. Your voice is truly mesmerizing, & a joy to listen to. The dialogue is brilliant & very informative and captivating. Your use of all the historical footage was brilliant & really helped tell your story. Thanks for sharing, Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

October 5th, 2013, 10:52 PM	#11
Gordon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pincher Creek, Alberta Canada Posts: 619	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Steve that was interesting. As mentioned the slow motoin was really nice. I don't really have a problem with the VO and it's not something I've ever tried. Anyway good job. Gordon

October 7th, 2013, 03:48 AM	#12
Marj Atkins Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Johannesburg South Africa Posts: 768	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Steve Your film is wonderful. It has an original and creative take on the theme and I found your story really fascinating. Your images of birds flying are quite stunning and in my opinion technically amazing – probably one of the hardest things to achieve in bird videography. I would really love to know what scope and camera you used for this. I found the beginning of your story very difficult to follow with flickering pictures and muffled sound. I had to play your video about five times before I could understand what you were saying as the old man. I tried with earphones on different computers and nothing improved. Once I got the story I thought it was fantastic. Last edited by Marj Atkins; October 7th, 2013 at 04:22 AM.

October 7th, 2013, 10:06 AM	#13
Geir Inge Trustee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Larsnes, Norway Posts: 1,342	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Steve, I like your film and it doesn't bother me that you're using stills. You have a great history and I seccond Marj, I think it's an original take on the theme, nice work. Audio is OK by me and suited the film. Great to see those birds in slow motion. All the best. Geir Inge __________________ Geir Inge B. Brekke Visit me at: https://vimeo.com/gibbfilm

October 7th, 2013, 10:51 AM	#14
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 839	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Marj, Sorry about the audio. The consumer-quality voice modifier I use can't do any better. I would love to find a better product, but haven't seen one. These are mostly intended to be used in games, or to fool your friends on the phone (or a wayward spouse!, or if you are the wayward spouse!!). Quality is not one of their concerns. It is cheaper, however, than hiring a voice-over guy. I am just using my Sony PMW EX3 with a Nikon 70-400 zoom mounted with a Mike Tapas adapter ring. The tripod head is a very old Manfrotto 516. Of course, since the shot is slowed down, you don't need very much good following to get useable footage. It is very hard. I wish I could afford a Miller or Vinten head, and had the back muscles to carry one.

October 11th, 2013, 10:10 AM	#15
Marj Atkins Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Johannesburg South Africa Posts: 768	Re: UWOL 27: How Do You Fly, Mr. Spoonbill. Steve Siegel Thanks for your reply Steve. I thought you had used a scope to follow those birds, but yes, I suppose you only need to follow a short time to get enough footage. Really well done.