What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36

Catherine Russell · December 2nd, 2015, 03:02 PM

Hi Bryce and Gordon!

Bryce.... you hold your own, buddy, on your own! But I knew I would get a poke from you concerning my blaming all my problems on my camera! ;-) I still can't believe it myself!

Gordon, thanks for sharing my after-glow of discovery. You all are awesome.

Bryce Comer · December 2nd, 2015, 03:07 PM

Oh sorry Cat,
I certainly wasn't having a poke at you. Absolutely not. I am really glad to hear that you got your issue sorted. It just goes to show what an awesome place this is!!

Kevin Railsback · December 2nd, 2015, 04:06 PM

Bryce,

I'd shoot whatever you needed but we all know that a lot of the satisfaction comes from looking at good footage and saying " I can't believe I shot that"! :)

Showed my film to my bosses this morning and they're like "you shot that"? No, I'm just showing you someone else's work. :)

But if we're ever in the same neck of the woods I'd be honored to go out filming nature and wildlife with any of the UWOL family!

Catherine Russell · December 2nd, 2015, 04:19 PM

Caught ya!

So, Kevin. Rocky Mountain National Park. When can we make it happen? No tourists this time of year...

Just do it!

Kevin Railsback · December 2nd, 2015, 04:37 PM

If I didn't just get back from Montana, I'd be there Cat!

I'm going to try and figure out next years travel plans tomorrow so I'll see what I'll have available.

Going to the UK for the UWOL meet up will eat up a lot of my travel budget but it's a great opportunity to check out some great films and meet some of the friends I've made here!

Bob Safay · December 2nd, 2015, 04:51 PM

Cat, I was once told that the best camera in the world..."is the one you have in your hand when you see that magic shot". How far are you from Fort Collins? If I remember it is not that far. Bob

Bryce Comer · December 2nd, 2015, 05:20 PM

Kevin,
You are absolutely spot on. Just being out there for me is something to treasure, coming home with footage in the can is a bonus. At the end of the day, the more work you put in, the better your chances are of getting the results you are happy with. I have learnt so much from the great people here & i have you all to thank for that!
I have the same sentiments when it comes to getting out filming with any of the folks here at UWOL. I think i mentioned in another post that i spent a little bit of time with my parents recently in Yellowstone. I would love to get down there again soon to spend more time just filming. Maybe one of these days we could have a meet there too??
Of course Lyons Colorado would be cool too Cat, maybe we could all stay in the Poultry Palace, that place looks pretty chi,chi!

Catherine Russell · December 2nd, 2015, 06:22 PM

Hi everyone:

How great it is to have our threads become chat rooms. All are welcome here on mine!

If there is an opportunity a rendez-vous could happen in the vicinity of Colorado, I would do everything I could to be there.

Bob, I'm only about 50 minutes drive or so from Fort Collins. Are you in the area anytime soon? Your old stomping ground RMNP isn't far away. It would be great to meet up for a day up there.

Bryce, have you always been this witty? I find myself chuckling time and again at your posts. Believe me, the Poultry Palace is deluxe and our ladies know it. Is it any wonder I can't afford a new camera? ;-) We are an old crew around here anymore and we used to have it hopping (over 40 laying hens)... now in that deluxe house, only 8 chickens and two geese roost, (even though geese don't really roost).

Vishal Jadhav · December 3rd, 2015, 12:01 AM

Nice film
Well if there are time lapses of clouds i really tend to ignore everything else, and you have clouds at so many places and in so many forms , its simply wonderful.
I am so new to videos that i cant comment on the ghosting that appears with the birds shot.

over all i like the video

Catherine Russell · December 3rd, 2015, 09:36 AM

Hi Vishal:
Thanks for the review. I also forgot to mention in your post that you used the slider effect really well!

Hi Keven and Trond:

Ghosting Take #2

Well I'm close but not quite? Her is a still grab from later on in the newly-processed pigeon clip that I thought took care of the ghosting. As you can see, it's still there, much less noticeable, but there. Is this something that should be expected since my camera wasn't trying to focus on them in the first place and they flew through the field of view in a split second? Or do I still have more processing work to do? Thanks for your thoughts and expertise, everyone!

Kevin Railsback · December 3rd, 2015, 09:45 AM

It's certainly a ghost issue as the ghost image shows the birds wings in different positions unless they are not flapping their wings.

It's like the camera does one scan and then goes back to get the second scan after the birds have moved.

Shouldn't be happening if you're shooting progressive I would think.

I know there's something about my camera shoots interlaced and then does something to turn it to progressive footage but I've never really bothered to understand it.

Something weird is going on. You shouldn't have such bad ghosting going on. Glad it's getting better so at least we're making progress.

Catherine Russell · December 3rd, 2015, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vishal Jadhav

I am so new to videos that i cant comment on the ghosting that appears with the birds shot.

Hi Vishal: I'm happy to walk you through what we are discussing about ghosting issues in my video if you want to weigh in. It seems to be a post processing thing I'm doing when for the longest time I thought it was my camera! You might have the perfect solution to what I'm doing :)

Catherine Russell · December 3rd, 2015, 09:53 AM

Hi Kevin:

I so appreciate your insights. Going deep here, the only settings on my camera for shooting video is full HD, 1440 and Standard. I actually have no idea if it's shooting progressive or not. I set progressive at the stage of processing the raw TOD file.

Fire any ideas?

For grins I'll process the raw footage as interlaced to see what happens. If it works, then perhaps the deinterlacing can enter in at the final processing of the movie. (?)

Bryce Comer · December 3rd, 2015, 10:41 AM

Hey Cat,
Glad to hear you are getting closer to solving your ghosting issues. What camera is it you are using again?
As Trond had suggested, maybe uploading the clip of the birds to dropbox would allow a few of us to try some different things & help you work out what is going on.

Catherine Russell · December 3rd, 2015, 11:18 AM

Hi Bryce:

Will do. I'll post a link here when I have it uploaded. Who knew the worst shot in my entire video entry would become so... famous... infamous?

Thanks for your interest everyone. I sincerely appreciate the help.

Is it okay to say what camera I am using? I didn't want to give a bad rap on a brand that millions enjoy using. Also, the problems most like are in the post processing, but also keep in mind the camera shipped damaged and had to be returned for repair. Straight out of the box, trying to focus on a bird on a wire, the best I could do was get a double image where the wires were about a foot apart. Not a great start to a serious (for me anyway) investment.

December 2nd, 2015, 03:02 PM	#31
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Hi Bryce and Gordon! Bryce.... you hold your own, buddy, on your own! But I knew I would get a poke from you concerning my blaming all my problems on my camera! ;-) I still can't believe it myself! Gordon, thanks for sharing my after-glow of discovery. You all are awesome.

December 2nd, 2015, 03:07 PM	#32
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Oh sorry Cat, I certainly wasn't having a poke at you. Absolutely not. I am really glad to hear that you got your issue sorted. It just goes to show what an awesome place this is!! __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

December 2nd, 2015, 04:06 PM	#33
Kevin Railsback Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 1,544	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Bryce, I'd shoot whatever you needed but we all know that a lot of the satisfaction comes from looking at good footage and saying " I can't believe I shot that"! :) Showed my film to my bosses this morning and they're like "you shot that"? No, I'm just showing you someone else's work. :) But if we're ever in the same neck of the woods I'd be honored to go out filming nature and wildlife with any of the UWOL family! __________________ --==Kevin==-- http:naturephotostudios.com.com

December 2nd, 2015, 04:19 PM	#34
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Caught ya! So, Kevin. Rocky Mountain National Park. When can we make it happen? No tourists this time of year... Just do it!

December 2nd, 2015, 04:37 PM	#35
Kevin Railsback Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 1,544	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 If I didn't just get back from Montana, I'd be there Cat! I'm going to try and figure out next years travel plans tomorrow so I'll see what I'll have available. Going to the UK for the UWOL meet up will eat up a lot of my travel budget but it's a great opportunity to check out some great films and meet some of the friends I've made here! __________________ --==Kevin==-- http:naturephotostudios.com.com

December 2nd, 2015, 04:51 PM	#36
Bob Safay Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,557	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Cat, I was once told that the best camera in the world..."is the one you have in your hand when you see that magic shot". How far are you from Fort Collins? If I remember it is not that far. Bob

December 2nd, 2015, 05:20 PM	#37
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Kevin, You are absolutely spot on. Just being out there for me is something to treasure, coming home with footage in the can is a bonus. At the end of the day, the more work you put in, the better your chances are of getting the results you are happy with. I have learnt so much from the great people here & i have you all to thank for that! I have the same sentiments when it comes to getting out filming with any of the folks here at UWOL. I think i mentioned in another post that i spent a little bit of time with my parents recently in Yellowstone. I would love to get down there again soon to spend more time just filming. Maybe one of these days we could have a meet there too?? Of course Lyons Colorado would be cool too Cat, maybe we could all stay in the Poultry Palace, that place looks pretty chi,chi! __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

December 2nd, 2015, 06:22 PM	#38
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Hi everyone: How great it is to have our threads become chat rooms. All are welcome here on mine! If there is an opportunity a rendez-vous could happen in the vicinity of Colorado, I would do everything I could to be there. Bob, I'm only about 50 minutes drive or so from Fort Collins. Are you in the area anytime soon? Your old stomping ground RMNP isn't far away. It would be great to meet up for a day up there. Bryce, have you always been this witty? I find myself chuckling time and again at your posts. Believe me, the Poultry Palace is deluxe and our ladies know it. Is it any wonder I can't afford a new camera? ;-) We are an old crew around here anymore and we used to have it hopping (over 40 laying hens)... now in that deluxe house, only 8 chickens and two geese roost, (even though geese don't really roost).

December 3rd, 2015, 12:01 AM	#39
Vishal Jadhav Major Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Pune, Mah , India Posts: 445	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Nice film Well if there are time lapses of clouds i really tend to ignore everything else, and you have clouds at so many places and in so many forms , its simply wonderful. I am so new to videos that i cant comment on the ghosting that appears with the birds shot. over all i like the video __________________ vishal jadhav www.indianwilderness.com

December 3rd, 2015, 09:36 AM	#40
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Hi Vishal: Thanks for the review. I also forgot to mention in your post that you used the slider effect really well! Hi Keven and Trond: Ghosting Take #2 Well I'm close but not quite? Her is a still grab from later on in the newly-processed pigeon clip that I thought took care of the ghosting. As you can see, it's still there, much less noticeable, but there. Is this something that should be expected since my camera wasn't trying to focus on them in the first place and they flew through the field of view in a split second? Or do I still have more processing work to do? Thanks for your thoughts and expertise, everyone! Attached Thumbnails

December 3rd, 2015, 09:45 AM	#41
Kevin Railsback Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 1,544	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 It's certainly a ghost issue as the ghost image shows the birds wings in different positions unless they are not flapping their wings. It's like the camera does one scan and then goes back to get the second scan after the birds have moved. Shouldn't be happening if you're shooting progressive I would think. I know there's something about my camera shoots interlaced and then does something to turn it to progressive footage but I've never really bothered to understand it. Something weird is going on. You shouldn't have such bad ghosting going on. Glad it's getting better so at least we're making progress. __________________ --==Kevin==-- http:naturephotostudios.com.com

December 3rd, 2015, 09:53 AM	#43
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Hi Kevin: I so appreciate your insights. Going deep here, the only settings on my camera for shooting video is full HD, 1440 and Standard. I actually have no idea if it's shooting progressive or not. I set progressive at the stage of processing the raw TOD file. Fire any ideas? For grins I'll process the raw footage as interlaced to see what happens. If it works, then perhaps the deinterlacing can enter in at the final processing of the movie. (?)

December 3rd, 2015, 10:41 AM	#44
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Hey Cat, Glad to hear you are getting closer to solving your ghosting issues. What camera is it you are using again? As Trond had suggested, maybe uploading the clip of the birds to dropbox would allow a few of us to try some different things & help you work out what is going on. __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

December 3rd, 2015, 11:18 AM	#45
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Re: What is it? by Cat Russell - UWOL 36 Hi Bryce: Will do. I'll post a link here when I have it uploaded. Who knew the worst shot in my entire video entry would become so... famous... infamous? Thanks for your interest everyone. I sincerely appreciate the help. Is it okay to say what camera I am using? I didn't want to give a bad rap on a brand that millions enjoy using. Also, the problems most like are in the post processing, but also keep in mind the camera shipped damaged and had to be returned for repair. Straight out of the box, trying to focus on a bird on a wire, the best I could do was get a double image where the wires were about a foot apart. Not a great start to a serious (for me anyway) investment.