Hunting The Hard Way, Long Form

Chris Swanberg · August 21st, 2009, 10:23 PM

Dale.... I think you can relax. With you, as is often the case, folks deeply involved with wildlife in any fashion are it's best defenders.

In an interesting sidebar, my separate tale about Glacier Park will show that hunting interests may have, in that case, played a very important role in preserving the habitat and making it a national park.

I appreciated your reply, and also understand Mat's expressed concerns, which I am sure you have allayed.

In UWOL land, we are all conservationists - and are doing a great public service in showing our wild heritage.

Carry on.

Chris

Mat Thompson · August 22nd, 2009, 11:33 AM

Hi Dale and thanks for your response. As I said I can tell you love dearly the birds you work with. My main concern is however if many people were to start doing this and theres no legality to state otherwise you'd have a problem on your hands. - All I'd ask is you cover what you've said in your response in your documentry, if you weren't going to already. I think then that people will immediately see that your actions are carefully measured and your net effect on the population is a positive one.

Cheers
Mat

Steve Siegel · August 22nd, 2009, 12:00 PM

Dale,
There are a lot of people out there that question the wisdom or "right" to take birds out of the wild for human purposes. Many are conservationists, as are most of us UWOLers. I have seen, however, people change their attitude 180 degrees when they go to a wildlife festival where a falconer has brought some of his birds and they get to see these magnificent creatures close up for the first time. After seeing, and hearing the falconer's talk they generally agree that it isn't so bad.
If you know what happened to raptors at Hawk Mountain and other places in the early 1900s, and what happens to them now as they migrate in places like the Mideast, you tend to be happy that there is an active and vocal community for whom the welfare of these birds is important.

Dale Guthormsen · August 22nd, 2009, 03:44 PM

Good afternoon,

First, I take no offense in others opinions. I have spent my entire life defending and protecting raptors, have participated in the reintroduction of the peregrine, done raptor surveys. When I started at this in 1961 raptors were not protected. Falconers in Canada and the United states were the primary movers and shakers to get them protected. As they becme protected proper regulations of the resources were established and continue to be so managed.

I should do a documentary of its own on the hole digging project. It is quite an experience to repel over a cliff, hang there and use a power Jackhammer to punch holes into a cliff. It is evern cooler years later to return and find them successfully nesting there. And in this year one of the resident falconers taking a youngster is frosting on the cake.

Bryce Comer · August 23rd, 2009, 09:43 AM

Hi Dale,
Well your documentary is really starting to take shape. It sounds like you're already working on the technical issues that others have commented on & i don't have anything constructive to add other than to say how much i enjoyed watching your latest installment! I love the way you are following the falconers in their search for the falcons and can't wait to see the training & then hunting with the bird they captured. I do agree with Mat that covering the issues with taking these birds from the wild would be a good thing. Your response to his initial comment was very reassuring & i think it would be great to add something to that affect in the film.
It certainly sounds like a rare day in the praries would be one that you can film outdoors without any form of wind protection on your mics!
Good luck for the run home!
Bryce

Bob Safay · August 23rd, 2009, 02:50 PM

Dale, very interesting. I guess I never though about how you got the bird. I think that narration explaining why you needed a particular age bird was interesting and, educational. The shot of you falconer repelling down the cliff could be broken up with close ups and mor dialog. I will be waiting for the finished product. Bob

Marj Atkins · September 22nd, 2009, 01:31 AM

Hi Dale

I had been preparing my comments for your video when I read that you had lost your Falcon in such a sad way. I really feel for you.

So glad to hear you have decided to turn it around and make something good come out of it.

Marj

Dale Guthormsen · September 26th, 2009, 10:04 AM

In spite of the disaster things will go on just fine. I still have "Chip" who I will now have to step backwards with (in training) to get some footage that was to be covered with "Drako" (the one killed).

The following link is or may be my October submission and a portion of this will be selected to go into part 1 of the program. It actually is an essential bit of information.

Yard Manning on Vimeo

Trond Saetre · September 26th, 2009, 12:12 PM

Good to hear you are still in the game, Dale!
I look forward to your finished film.

Steve Siegel · September 26th, 2009, 05:36 PM

Hey Dale,
We were all worried about you. It's good to see that things have settled down for you and Chip. Can't wait to see that hunting footage.

Chris Swanberg · September 26th, 2009, 08:01 PM

Dale... I really enjoyed your piece. Nice saturation and good narration. I like seeing the film-makers "in the flesh" so to speak. I too am glad you are hanging in there!

Chris

Dale Guthormsen · October 13th, 2009, 01:56 PM

Good Afternoon,

I am having to use this for this submission, I had other plans actually.

There is some important information in this piece, some of which will be used.

I had hoped to have more, but things have been out of bounds for me for the last month.
I am off crutches and on to using a cane at present but still in constant pain even though I am much better after a scant two weeks.

Catherine Russell · October 13th, 2009, 02:34 PM

Dale:

This is a heartwarming video, especially since this beautiful bird is no longer with us. Your piece is fascinating. Your guitar playing is superb, and the humor of which way to face and where to poop was gratifying. Was it my imagination, but it looked like he was keeping time to the music? Your cat is enjoying the time as well.

I don't think I have ever seen your home when everything is green instead of a frozen ice box. This was enjoyable.

Hope you are healing well.

Cato

Chris Swanberg · October 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM

Dale, I had looked at this piece earlier and enjoyed it just as much as last time. I thought of you the other day. I came to Montana to acquire some more footage and a couple of headshot interviews hopefully, and as luck would have it I arrived during record low temperatures (I think the lowest was around 8 degrees F. My outdoor shooting was tough, especially since I was coming from much warmer temperatures and really hadn't time to acclimate.

Every time I thought it was too much, a little voice said "Dale up in Saskatchewan does this routinely and with a LOT MORE WIND - buck up!"

Very enjoyable piece.

Chris

Mike Sims · October 19th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Dale- I really enjoyed your submission this round, although I know you originally intended to show us something else. When you are finished I hope you will give us a link to all three parts as we won’t all be able to see it over the air and you have one of the most interesting storylines. Being able to produce your own music is a tremendous asset and a huge tool in your toolbox! Congratulations.

I hope that you are now feeling better.

August 22nd, 2009, 11:33 AM	#47
Mat Thompson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,397	Hi Dale and thanks for your response. As I said I can tell you love dearly the birds you work with. My main concern is however if many people were to start doing this and theres no legality to state otherwise you'd have a problem on your hands. - All I'd ask is you cover what you've said in your response in your documentry, if you weren't going to already. I think then that people will immediately see that your actions are carefully measured and your net effect on the population is a positive one. Cheers Mat Last edited by Mat Thompson; August 22nd, 2009 at 02:19 PM.

August 22nd, 2009, 03:44 PM	#49
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Good afternoon, First, I take no offense in others opinions. I have spent my entire life defending and protecting raptors, have participated in the reintroduction of the peregrine, done raptor surveys. When I started at this in 1961 raptors were not protected. Falconers in Canada and the United states were the primary movers and shakers to get them protected. As they becme protected proper regulations of the resources were established and continue to be so managed. I should do a documentary of its own on the hole digging project. It is quite an experience to repel over a cliff, hang there and use a power Jackhammer to punch holes into a cliff. It is evern cooler years later to return and find them successfully nesting there. And in this year one of the resident falconers taking a youngster is frosting on the cake. __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

August 23rd, 2009, 09:43 AM	#50
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Hi Dale, Well your documentary is really starting to take shape. It sounds like you're already working on the technical issues that others have commented on & i don't have anything constructive to add other than to say how much i enjoyed watching your latest installment! I love the way you are following the falconers in their search for the falcons and can't wait to see the training & then hunting with the bird they captured. I do agree with Mat that covering the issues with taking these birds from the wild would be a good thing. Your response to his initial comment was very reassuring & i think it would be great to add something to that affect in the film. It certainly sounds like a rare day in the praries would be one that you can film outdoors without any form of wind protection on your mics! Good luck for the run home! Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

September 26th, 2009, 10:04 AM	#53
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	Yard Manning In spite of the disaster things will go on just fine. I still have "Chip" who I will now have to step backwards with (in training) to get some footage that was to be covered with "Drako" (the one killed). The following link is or may be my October submission and a portion of this will be selected to go into part 1 of the program. It actually is an essential bit of information. Yard Manning on Vimeo __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

October 13th, 2009, 01:56 PM	#57
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	October submission Good Afternoon, I am having to use this for this submission, I had other plans actually. Yard Manning on Vimeo There is some important information in this piece, some of which will be used. I had hoped to have more, but things have been out of bounds for me for the last month. I am off crutches and on to using a cane at present but still in constant pain even though I am much better after a scant two weeks. __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

August 21st, 2009, 10:23 PM	#46
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	Dale.... I think you can relax. With you, as is often the case, folks deeply involved with wildlife in any fashion are it's best defenders. In an interesting sidebar, my separate tale about Glacier Park will show that hunting interests may have, in that case, played a very important role in preserving the habitat and making it a national park. I appreciated your reply, and also understand Mat's expressed concerns, which I am sure you have allayed. In UWOL land, we are all conservationists - and are doing a great public service in showing our wild heritage. Carry on. Chris

August 22nd, 2009, 12:00 PM	#48
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 839	Dale, There are a lot of people out there that question the wisdom or "right" to take birds out of the wild for human purposes. Many are conservationists, as are most of us UWOLers. I have seen, however, people change their attitude 180 degrees when they go to a wildlife festival where a falconer has brought some of his birds and they get to see these magnificent creatures close up for the first time. After seeing, and hearing the falconer's talk they generally agree that it isn't so bad. If you know what happened to raptors at Hawk Mountain and other places in the early 1900s, and what happens to them now as they migrate in places like the Mideast, you tend to be happy that there is an active and vocal community for whom the welfare of these birds is important.

August 23rd, 2009, 02:50 PM	#51
Bob Safay Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,557	Dale, very interesting. I guess I never though about how you got the bird. I think that narration explaining why you needed a particular age bird was interesting and, educational. The shot of you falconer repelling down the cliff could be broken up with close ups and mor dialog. I will be waiting for the finished product. Bob

September 22nd, 2009, 01:31 AM	#52
Marj Atkins Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Johannesburg South Africa Posts: 768	Hi Dale I had been preparing my comments for your video when I read that you had lost your Falcon in such a sad way. I really feel for you. So glad to hear you have decided to turn it around and make something good come out of it. Marj

September 26th, 2009, 12:12 PM	#54
Trond Saetre Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 3,375	Good to hear you are still in the game, Dale! I look forward to your finished film.

September 26th, 2009, 05:36 PM	#55
Steve Siegel Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Posts: 839	Hey Dale, We were all worried about you. It's good to see that things have settled down for you and Chip. Can't wait to see that hunting footage.

September 26th, 2009, 08:01 PM	#56
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	Dale... I really enjoyed your piece. Nice saturation and good narration. I like seeing the film-makers "in the flesh" so to speak. I too am glad you are hanging in there! Chris

October 13th, 2009, 02:34 PM	#58
Catherine Russell Trustee Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lyons, Colorado Posts: 1,224	Dale: This is a heartwarming video, especially since this beautiful bird is no longer with us. Your piece is fascinating. Your guitar playing is superb, and the humor of which way to face and where to poop was gratifying. Was it my imagination, but it looked like he was keeping time to the music? Your cat is enjoying the time as well. I don't think I have ever seen your home when everything is green instead of a frozen ice box. This was enjoyable. Hope you are healing well. Cato

October 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM	#59
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	Dale, I had looked at this piece earlier and enjoyed it just as much as last time. I thought of you the other day. I came to Montana to acquire some more footage and a couple of headshot interviews hopefully, and as luck would have it I arrived during record low temperatures (I think the lowest was around 8 degrees F. My outdoor shooting was tough, especially since I was coming from much warmer temperatures and really hadn't time to acclimate. Every time I thought it was too much, a little voice said "Dale up in Saskatchewan does this routinely and with a LOT MORE WIND - buck up!" Very enjoyable piece. Chris

October 19th, 2009, 05:39 PM	#60
Mike Sims Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 880	Dale- I really enjoyed your submission this round, although I know you originally intended to show us something else. When you are finished I hope you will give us a link to all three parts as we won’t all be able to see it over the air and you have one of the most interesting storylines. Being able to produce your own music is a tremendous asset and a huge tool in your toolbox! Congratulations. I hope that you are now feeling better.

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