Is It Time for a new way to post films ? at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > DV Info Net Community Contests > The UWOL Challenge

The UWOL Challenge
An organized competition for Under Water, Over Land videographers!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old November 21st, 2010, 12:43 AM   #1
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Elk Grove CA
Posts: 6,838
Is It Time for a new way to post films ?

The theme of UWOL 18 is "intimate details". Yet, trying to get decent detail into 60 MB of low rez footage is getting to be a real drag. I don't get why this is the last challenge on the web that posts its entries that way.
__________________
Chris J. Barcellos
Chris Barcellos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 21st, 2010, 09:41 PM   #2
Trustee
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lyons, Colorado
Posts: 1,178
Dear Chris:

Patience friend! Yes, this forum is about spectacular film footage. It is about wildlife and our love for the wild creation around us that bless us everyday. It is about pushing ourselves to the best we can be as filmmakers... it is about all of this, and more...

But there is also one other reason for this forum and that is in the name of Meryem Ersoz. And these are her parting words for this forum:

_____________________________________________________

Here is our plan for the future:

Your next 3 Challenges will be run by our Interim Field Guide - Cat Russell. I selected Cat to take the reins because I believe that she -- and the work that she has done here in our UWOL Challenge forum -- best embody the spirit of the contest. She has learned so much since the early days and is always quick to share that knowledge with others. I know she will try her best to serve all of the players with wisdom and integrity. Plus, she has that deep, abiding planetary love, which you all share, and which has always been the heart and soul of the Challenge.

She will be running the next 3 Challenges with the consistency of the original Challenge, every other month, to get the UWOL mojo flowing again. At the end of the trial, if she likes the work, she will take over as your permanent contest coordinator and will be free to make any changes to the contest.

I know that UWOL rules need an overhaul to get them up to speed with changes in technology, and some of the reasons that we had for establishing the original rules are now obsolete. But it will be easier for her to stick to the guidelines, initially, because she knows them well, and to re-establish the consistency of the contest.

After that, if she chooses to accept this Ultimate Challenge, it will be hers and it will be open season for you all to make all the changes you like. An overhaul of the contest is overdue, and this will be the appropriate time to make changes. Give her a little space to navigate the waters first.

Three Challenges will also give us plenty of time to see if the contest still has longevity or whether, like a flower, it was something destined to blossom, flourish, bring a little beauty and happiness to our lives, and return to seed.

I always have said that UWOL is the players, not me, or my hare-brained ideas (apologies to hares everywhere...). I hope that I have left you in good hands and thank you for all of the inspiration and love that the contest has brought to me. And to your planet, spaceship Earth.

________________________________________

There are many ways to train ourselves, and one of the best ways is with a serious liability (I can attest to this personally). The first film I ever made was because of the UWOL inspiration and challenge. For two years I shot with a low down standard camera because that was all I had to work with. The only time I placed in the UWOL forum was with the challenge "Night" where it evened the playing field just a tiny bit and I placed not only with horrible footage, but with a fun story line. I make this point not to bring the attention to me, but back to the spirit and inspiration of UWOL and to Meryem. I can only speak for myself, but think about it... is it not in your own limitations that you find yourself that you learn to excel? We find a way, we define our own signature in film not only by our strengths, but our weaknesses.

According to Meryem, we have two more UWOL challenges to go before we as a group reassess everything. How we play, who will lead and if you as filmmakers feel it is in your benefit that UWOL continue. I am here first to make certain Meryem's concerns for UWOL continue as far as she has spelled out for us. After that, everything friends is all up to you. I am backing you guys up all the way.

So Chris! To make a very long-winded entry shorter... you make a wonderful point, but wait just two more challenges before you pose the proposition again!

Until then....

Cheers, and have fun with all the grace that you have to run with!!!!!!

Cat
Catherine Russell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:06 AM   #3
Trustee
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kent UK
Posts: 1,397
Chris

The idea was always that we wanted to store the uwol films in a way that developed a back catalogue. It was also to create an even playing field. It would be lovely if uwol had its own integrated encoding and auto storage engine. I have actually looked into this and who knows, it may happen.

However I don't really see what the problem is. Go and look at Per's entry this round. A great looking video in 17mb ! (I don't know hows he's done that either...but anyway). Added to this everyone can and usually does also post vimeo/youtube versions !

Mat
Mat Thompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:27 AM   #4
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 3,004
I do believe that the 60 mb limitation does not work very well for those shooting HD! I never watch them and always watch the larger vimeo/utube files. Perhaps if you want to spend 5 or 6 hundred dollars on sorenson squeeze you might get slightly better images.
__________________
DATS ALL FOLKS
Dale W. Guthormsen
Dale Guthormsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:45 AM   #5
Trustee
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kent UK
Posts: 1,397
Dale - It makes no difference what you're shooting when the resolution is 428x240. Also bare in mind someone's having to store (and pay) for all these videos, so we need to keep a lid on the file sizes.

And as I said in my previous post, what's the problem when everyone can post alternative versions anyway!?
Mat Thompson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2010, 11:21 AM   #6
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Elk Grove CA
Posts: 6,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mat Thompson View Post

However I don't really see what the problem is. Go and look at Per's entry this round. A great looking video in 17mb ! (I don't know hows he's done that either...but anyway). Added to this everyone can and usually does also post vimeo/youtube versions !
Not sure how he does that either, but also it doe have something to do with what is in the frame. In his case, he was defocused in most of the frame, and so in a variable bit rate scheme, probably a lot less resources taken up. In my file with a lot of plant lift blowing in the wind, the limited amount of available bits causes loss in the images.

Looking back, I see less and less participation in UWOL, and I wonder if it is partly because of this limitations put on the presentation of the films for judging.

Of course, I don't do this for a living, and I use UWOL just to get my butt out in nature once in a while, but I would think those who take wildlife filming seriously want their work to be presented in the best format possible.
__________________
Chris J. Barcellos
Chris Barcellos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 22nd, 2010, 12:22 PM   #7
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 3,012
less and less participation in UWOL is my fault, period -- primarily due to my increasing inability to follow through based on too many demands on my time.

I don't think the lack of activity has anything to due with the required compression schemes.

In any case, it has already been stated that this issue will be re-visited at the close of the next 3 Challenges, one of which has already ended - this gives Cat a chance to administer the game by rules which are familiar to her and the regular players. After that, if she wants to continue running Challenges, she will open a discussion with players and with Mat and Kevin to make the necessary revisions. If not, I'll do it. UWOL won't die, as long as players want to play, it just needs re-invented a bit.

Mat's point that we have all of our films in one place has been a very important one, UWOL has a tremendous archive, catalog, and resource that is pretty much unrivaled anywhere on the web.

Major changes are going to happen in a timeframe which benefits everyone involved in UWOL, not just players, although that is an obvious consideration, but also the judges and contest coordinators.

For example, it's a disservice to an outside judge and an additional imposition on his or her time to have to wade through the chaos of threads in a sub-forum to find everyone's Vimeo. What you may perceive as solving one problem creates unintended consequences of a different order. The coordinators' job is to think these things through, on your behalf and with your input, to keep an orderly contest. When the time is appropriate.

But no one is disagreeing with you, Chris, that it's time to change the way we post films - it has already been a matter of discussion among your friendly contest coordinators. Just give Cat a chance to understand how the contest runs from the other side of the fence. You are in good hands.
Meryem Ersoz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 09:45 AM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 880
Iím sure this is one of those situations where I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but Iím going to jump in here because of one statement with which I very strongly disagree. I do not at all think that any loss of participation is due to Meryem. To the contrary, I think she has worked very hard to keep things going in the face of other factors which may be in play. Some people never intended to participate more than once. They had an idea to express, and having done so, have moved on to other pursuits. Some of us have had changing circumstances in our lives-like babies or new jobs- which now, by necessity, take up the time once devoted to the challenge. Some do not possess an extensive kit of expensive equipment and may feel that their efforts are not appreciated around here. (To which I say, Posh!) Other people are very competitive. Letís face it, we have a handful of very talented and experienced people around here with which it is very difficult to compete. Some, I think, have decided-ĒIím never going to win, so why bother?Ē (Again I say, Phui!)

I think there is a larger issue here which should be addressed. We seem to have fallen into a rut where the only ones which comment on the videos are those which have completed a video that round. Itís almost like commenting on everyoneís videos has become a duty of completion rather than a privilege. Some feel that if you cannot (or will not) offer a suggested improvement or point out a fault, then donít comment at all. Nonsense. I can only offer myself by way of example. In my personal life I have absolutely no one to talk to about video. Everyone I know thinks what I do is foolish and an extreme waste of my meager resources. Few pass up any opportunity to express their opinions. At times I get very discouraged. While I very much value the comments with concrete suggestions on how to improve, the comments which have meant the most to me are very much along the lines of-ĒI watched your video. It isnít perfect, but keep going!Ē Your encouragement has got me through many a lonely night. I think rather than pointing out in the rules that by signing up for a challenge you are committing to completing a video we should recognize that sometimes life intervenes and prevents that. (I think increasing the time from three weeks to four weeks will help in this respect, but this is a tangent to be pursued at a later time.) I think the rules should say that by signing up you are committing to try to complete a video, and further that you will watch all the videos and offer comments- even if the only thing you have to say is ďI took a few moments from my busy life to watch your videoĒ.
Mike Sims is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 10:43 AM   #9
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
If somebody would please make up a 300x250 banner for
the UWOL Challenge, I'll be more than happy to put it on
the front page of the DVi site...
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 10:47 AM   #10
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bergen, Norway
Posts: 2,861
Chris,

How about we use the uwol logo as a banner?
What file format do you prefer?
Trond Saetre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 10:49 AM   #11
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Saskatchewan
Posts: 3,004
Mike,

I actually have to agree with you!!!

I have virtually no one to cominicate with about what i do, the perk of living out on the fringe (in more ways than one). I learn as much or more from watching others and reading the various critiques as from my own!!



The bar is pretty high and is just about unreachable for this slightly older guy, and I really would not want it any other way.

Competition is fun and a driving force, but in the big picture that is not what it is about.

To me it is all about learning and inspiration, in this game (so to speak) this is the best place I have been able to find.
__________________
DATS ALL FOLKS
Dale W. Guthormsen
Dale Guthormsen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 10:52 AM   #12
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bergen, Norway
Posts: 2,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Guthormsen View Post
To me it is all about learning and inspiration, in this game (so to speak) this is the best place I have been able to find.
This is the main reason I'm here too. Not to forget the great friends we got here.
I could care less if I win or not. I have so much fun making the uwol videos, I learn a lot from the feedback I get from all of you, and by watching your videos.
UWOL is a big part of my life.
Trond Saetre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 10:56 AM   #13
Obstreperous Rex
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: San Marcos, TX
Posts: 26,900
Images: 513
Oops, looks like Meryem wrangled a banner for me awhile back.
I thought so just after I made my post above. Here it is... about
to go on the front page... but it's 250px wide. I'll use it until some
kind soul provides one that's 300px wide. Need JPG, GIF or PNG.
Attached Images
 
__________________
CH

Search DV Info Net | DV Info Net Sponsors | A Decade (+5) of DVi | ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!
Chris Hurd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 10:57 AM   #14
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bergen, Norway
Posts: 2,861
Very good, Chris!
That banner will be great!! Thank you!

Edit:
Added UWOL banner for Chris... And bummer, it's too tall.
Stay tuned for a correct sized banner in next post...

Ehm, edit once more:
This one is actually 300 x 250. I screwed up the one in my next post instead...
Attached Images
 

Last edited by Trond Saetre; November 23rd, 2010 at 11:30 AM.
Trond Saetre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 23rd, 2010, 11:22 AM   #15
Major Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 880
I made one too, but you're way ahead of me Trond. Go for it!
Mike Sims is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > DV Info Net Community Contests > The UWOL Challenge

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:49 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network