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Old January 13th, 2003, 08:20 PM   #1
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Getting a monitor and TV setup..

I'm going to be looking into getting a tv for previewing my video work and need to know what cards are out there that can handle outputting to the PC's monitor *AND* the TV at the same time?

Failing that, has anyone had success with using two graphics cards and using one for the TV out and one for the monitor?

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Old January 13th, 2003, 10:22 PM   #2
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Aaron Matrox have a range of cards that do this quite well. There are dual and tripple head versions depending on what you need. The new Parhelia gives you 2 monitirs and a tv as well a 128MB or video ram. It's a tuff card but I'd say quite pricey down your way. The G550 is a dual head model that will give you one monitor plus your tele, and it would be quite a bit cheaper.

I'm still using the old 16MB G400 Dual head card and it works a treat. As far as I'm comcerned Matrox's graphics cards are first rate.
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Old January 14th, 2003, 12:21 AM   #3
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I'm using an ATI Radeon 9000 (I think) that gives me two monitors and 1 TV. I think it cost about $130us with the system I bought.
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Old January 14th, 2003, 12:28 AM   #4
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Dylan, is that two monitors AND one TV, or two monitors OR one monitor and a TV?
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Old January 14th, 2003, 12:30 AM   #5
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Three outputs total. Two monitor, one TV.

I'm pretty sure it's a Radeon 9000, but it might be an 8500.
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Old January 14th, 2003, 12:32 AM   #6
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And you can output on all three at once? --I'm impressed. Must have a pretty hefty video buffer. What kinds of resolutions and refresh rates can you do on the computer monitors?
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Old January 14th, 2003, 01:29 AM   #7
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Thanks Adrian and and Dylan.

Dylan, that Radeon sounds pretty good, but can you do monitor AND TV output *AT THE SAME TIME* like I want for previewing video? Just wanting to clarify cause if It can I think I'll go for that baby.

Also, what NLE's do you guys use as I'm thinking of going with Avid XPress DV but want to make sure whatever card I get will work with that.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 06:26 AM   #8
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You can get info on the ATI Radeons here http://mirror.ati.com/products/builtdesktoppc.html At least on the Mac, the cards output any 2 of the 3. Very stable product. ATI, in my opinion , has better drivers than NVidia, and they are updated more often.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 06:36 AM   #9
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Correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't using a video card's tv out pretty much be pointless??

Video cards have absolute crap video out for tv's and wouldn't actually be any good for the kind of use i think people here want.

Wouldn't the natural and best way to get a preview on a tv monitor be use either, a dv deck which has video outs to a tv, your dv camera or a cheap camera as a deck and have all these streaming out via firewire.

I have used tv out on even the most expensive nvidia cards, and matrox for that matter and it was soft and aweful.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 06:47 AM   #10
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Yes Zac, I think you are correct. As you say, a better NTSC/PAL video out for video editing purposes would be a firewire out put through a camcorder/deck/DV-to-analog converter, or a box with a DV codec and an analog out like the Canopus DVStorm.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 07:12 AM   #11
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Robert you tell me, i did email him, and asked Jeff and John L. as well.

Dosn't really bother me either way.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 07:53 AM   #12
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RADEON 9000

I am currently using the 128 MB Radeon 9000 card. It has an digital output for my flat panel, CRT Monitor, and television. The CRT monitor is on the out, so I am only using the flat panel and television.

Configuring Xpress DV is a pain in the ass and I haven't figured out why it doesn't output to the full window on the television screen. I played with resolutions... blahh blahh, its not working like I expected it to work. I'll work it some more...

However, outputting to my XL1S and connecting the XL1S output to a television yields the result that I need. So, I've been using that method...

I hope this helps in your decision making process...
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Old January 14th, 2003, 12:09 PM   #13
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I have been using a Matrox G450 eTV card (no longer in production) and the video out (S-VHS) is not soft and awful. Though using one's camera to translate the digital out via Firewire also works very well.

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Old January 14th, 2003, 12:37 PM   #14
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Im thinking of buying the DVraptor PAL/NTSC card, it's a really good and cheap card($120). It got all the outputs to for viewing edited material on monitors as well as TV's. Pluss of course a great way to capture your footage, non-dropped frames guaranted. Check it out.
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Old January 14th, 2003, 04:40 PM   #15
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<<<-- Originally posted by Kermie Klien : Correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't using a video card's tv out pretty much be pointless??

Video cards have absolute crap video out for tv's

I have a Radeon 7000 Mac edition (think there's also a PC version). It can output to a computer monitor and TV simultaneously with each port set to any desired resolution. Actually the s-video output looks really good to me at 720x480. There's a control panel that lets you tweak the color, contrast, brightness, sync, flicker filter and image size. If I'm using s-vhs then this gives much better output than my VX-2000 over firewire. One thing I like is that I can set the image size to show the full frame without overscan.

Again, I'm using a Mac with Final Cut Pro, but I suspect the PC version gives you similar abilities.
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