A clip from a Moscow, Russia wedding 4min at DVinfo.net

Oleg Kalyan · May 30th, 2008, 02:31 PM

http://olegkalyan.ru/_Quicktime/OlyaDima600340.mov

Please share the comments if you have any,
would be glad to hear what you think

Cheers.

Osmany Tellez · May 31st, 2008, 09:17 AM

ok, I'm no expert here but I give you my opinion.

you'r work is very high quality, no doubt. you have a lot of beautiful stuff in there. If I had to give a critique it'll be that there is almost too much in there, too complicated all the time. maybe mixing with other qualities will be nice. It reminded it me to a 3 ring circus, everything is amazing but too much all at once. Hey, this is only if I had to find a thing to improve...otherwise I'll give a 10...high quility stuff.

Thanks for sharing.

Oleg Kalyan · May 31st, 2008, 01:32 PM

Osmany, thank you.
You are right, maybe it's too much, yet it is a clip, sort of a music video, so I wanted it to be more intense, than long form wedding film for the couple, still I wanted it to be very poetic.

I really think that the sensual part was not weakened by the editing, the continuity of emotions was primary subject for me!

Could I manage to convey sincerity of the couple that what matters, I think!
Editing stuff can be an eye candy, that the audience likes in a trailer, music video. (I believe)

Oleg Kalyan · May 31st, 2008, 09:55 PM

Sorry about the off topic,

I didn't know what is "3 RING CIRCUS", never seen it,
http://www.3ringcircus.tv/showreel.php

I take it as a compliment, well I guess the intensity of editing
is a contemporary way of communicating visual language!

Again, just hope that it doesn't destroy the sincerity of the couple.

Vito DeFilippo · May 31st, 2008, 11:18 PM

Hi Oleg,

As mentioned, there's lots of great stuff in there. You shoot beautifully, with great ideas.

Still, I would just use one song. I hate the artificial fade out in the middle just to use a second song. Tighten your edit to fit one song in my opinion.

Your shots are beautiful, except that I find you use too many with the fisheye lens. It's fun for an effect here and there, but you use it a lot.

I can't imagine how much time you spent on the opening, with all the picture in picture, etc.. I liked it a lot, but could never put the time in to something like that. Great work.

Noa Put · June 1st, 2008, 03:23 AM

Loved the image quality as well, you had a lot of different good shots to use in the edit, do you work alone or with more camera operators?

I only have 2 "complaints";
The music didn't fit well, especially with the first part, I think a more up tempo song would be better. You had a quite fast edit there and this should be matched to a song that as a quicker beat. Now it just didn't "feel" right if you know what I mean.
Second I have the same comment as said here before, in the beginning with all the effects (which were very good executed) I often didn't know where to look first, each time I thought I saw something nice it was already gone. :)

Oleg Kalyan · June 1st, 2008, 04:24 AM

"each time I thought I saw something nice it was already gone. :)"

Noa, thanks!
Sorry about that, wanted to keep the pace quite high... about the music,
you probably right, although editing (fast paced) was "countered", balanced imo, by relatively mellow song.

Vito, thank you, I use two or more different songs for a trailer/clip on purpose, change of mood, pace, making a conclusion, that is the structure reason.

I guess its more of a trailer thing than a clip.

Finn Nielsen · June 1st, 2008, 03:02 PM

Hello Oleg.

I really like your video. I think it's super.

How longe time do you use to make such video incl. editing?

Greeting from Denmark.

Oleg Kalyan · June 1st, 2008, 04:43 PM

Finn, Appreciate!
The clip is a part of a 60 min. wedding film, I give to the client,
in addition to that I edit a 3 to 4 min clip/trailer, so it's about 5 hours of editing labor in addition to a 4 to 5 days to complete 60 min. wedding film, if it's shot on one camera.

On this particular wedding I worked alone, no assistant, no second camera,
I rotated two different cameras.

John Moon · June 2nd, 2008, 10:34 AM

Oleg...I really liked it. It's your style. I think I would echo the comment from Vito about fading the song out BUT...if you had the Bride or Groom give you some voice over to help make the transition to change the pace or feel I think the fade out would have been fine. Still...very nice work.

Oleg Kalyan · June 2nd, 2008, 11:01 AM

John, Thanks a lot!,
next time I think how to mix up two songs, this clip is kind of long isn't it,
VO could be a choice as you suggested. Will keep on working!

Osmany Tellez · June 3rd, 2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Kalyan

Sorry about the off topic,

I didn't know what is "3 RING CIRCUS", never seen it,
http://www.3ringcircus.tv/showreel.php

I take it as a compliment, well I guess the intensity of editing
is a contemporary way of communicating visual language!

Again, just hope that it doesn't destroy the sincerity of the couple.

Hey Oleg. I was away doing some other stuff and didn't see your post.

I was talking about ringling and Bros.. http://www.ringling.com/explore/...

it's an amazing, high level show..they have used 3 rings instead of tradicially 1 ring, everything that happens is great, its just that for some people like me sometimes is too much to take in all at once. Still it is an amazing show.

Anyways, your vid is great, for sure I hope I can do some of the cool stuff you have there, I was just trying to give some feed back as A viewer hoping it'll be more helpful than just saying how good you are....and you are.

I'll definetly keep looking at your vid for inspiration..

Thanks a lot.

OT

Travis Cossel · June 3rd, 2008, 08:13 PM

From a technical perspective I think your video stands up well.

From a stylistic perspective ...

I found the first part of the edit to be distracting with all of the various effects. I really felt like I was watching an effects show more than a video about 2 people in love. In terms of your skill and dedication, it was impressive, but it felt disconnected from the couple for me.

The pace of the editing also didn't seem to fit the music. I know you said you felt the edit and music were balanced because they were so different from each other, but I disagree. It just didn't work for me.

Although using 2 songs didn't really bother me, I do think you could have gone with one song and been more selective in your shots and had a much stronger video.

Impressive editing and good shot compositions, but some things just didn't work for me. Thanks for sharing!

Oleg Kalyan · June 4th, 2008, 09:07 AM

Travis, thank you,
I guess this clip was like going for "more is more" principle, which is a fine line and may not work most of the time.

The couple and their emotions are primary in making a clip, one thing I try to conquer is a "pattern" in style of shooting and editing.

Appreciate the comment!

Carl Wilky · June 4th, 2008, 01:38 PM

I agree with Vito and pretty much everyone else here. I understand what you were traying to acheive... the music video effect but the speed of the video doesn't match the speed of the song in my opinion.

The other thing you want to do is leave the viewers wanting more, i would've had left less images with the couple and substitute it with b-roll footage.

Oleg, what camera do you use and what brand of fisheye do you have?

May 30th, 2008, 02:31 PM	#1
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	A clip from a Moscow, Russia wedding 4min http://olegkalyan.ru/_Quicktime/OlyaDima600340.mov Please share the comments if you have any, would be glad to hear what you think Cheers.

May 31st, 2008, 09:17 AM	#2
Osmany Tellez Regular Crew Join Date: May 2008 Location: Panama City Posts: 190	ok, I'm no expert here but I give you my opinion. you'r work is very high quality, no doubt. you have a lot of beautiful stuff in there. If I had to give a critique it'll be that there is almost too much in there, too complicated all the time. maybe mixing with other qualities will be nice. It reminded it me to a 3 ring circus, everything is amazing but too much all at once. Hey, this is only if I had to find a thing to improve...otherwise I'll give a 10...high quility stuff. Thanks for sharing. __________________ FCPS2, G5 Dual core 2.0 GHz, 2.5 Ram, Dell 2408, M-audio DX4, DVX 100A, Sachtler DV6, Manfrotto 561B, Zoom H-4, RE-50, AT890 shotgun, steadicam Merlin,

May 31st, 2008, 09:55 PM	#4
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Sorry about the off topic, I didn't know what is "3 RING CIRCUS", never seen it, http://www.3ringcircus.tv/showreel.php I take it as a compliment, well I guess the intensity of editing is a contemporary way of communicating visual language! Again, just hope that it doesn't destroy the sincerity of the couple. Last edited by Oleg Kalyan; June 1st, 2008 at 06:25 AM.

May 31st, 2008, 11:18 PM	#5
Vito DeFilippo Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 1,585	Hi Oleg, As mentioned, there's lots of great stuff in there. You shoot beautifully, with great ideas. Still, I would just use one song. I hate the artificial fade out in the middle just to use a second song. Tighten your edit to fit one song in my opinion. Your shots are beautiful, except that I find you use too many with the fisheye lens. It's fun for an effect here and there, but you use it a lot. I can't imagine how much time you spent on the opening, with all the picture in picture, etc.. I liked it a lot, but could never put the time in to something like that. Great work. __________________ . http://www.nosmallroles.com

June 1st, 2008, 04:43 PM	#9
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Finn, Appreciate! The clip is a part of a 60 min. wedding film, I give to the client, in addition to that I edit a 3 to 4 min clip/trailer, so it's about 5 hours of editing labor in addition to a 4 to 5 days to complete 60 min. wedding film, if it's shot on one camera. On this particular wedding I worked alone, no assistant, no second camera, I rotated two different cameras. Last edited by Oleg Kalyan; June 2nd, 2008 at 12:03 AM.

May 31st, 2008, 01:32 PM	#3
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Osmany, thank you. You are right, maybe it's too much, yet it is a clip, sort of a music video, so I wanted it to be more intense, than long form wedding film for the couple, still I wanted it to be very poetic. I really think that the sensual part was not weakened by the editing, the continuity of emotions was primary subject for me! Could I manage to convey sincerity of the couple that what matters, I think! Editing stuff can be an eye candy, that the audience likes in a trailer, music video. (I believe)

June 1st, 2008, 03:23 AM	#6
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Loved the image quality as well, you had a lot of different good shots to use in the edit, do you work alone or with more camera operators? I only have 2 "complaints"; The music didn't fit well, especially with the first part, I think a more up tempo song would be better. You had a quite fast edit there and this should be matched to a song that as a quicker beat. Now it just didn't "feel" right if you know what I mean. Second I have the same comment as said here before, in the beginning with all the effects (which were very good executed) I often didn't know where to look first, each time I thought I saw something nice it was already gone. :)

June 1st, 2008, 04:24 AM	#7
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	"each time I thought I saw something nice it was already gone. :)" Noa, thanks! Sorry about that, wanted to keep the pace quite high... about the music, you probably right, although editing (fast paced) was "countered", balanced imo, by relatively mellow song. Vito, thank you, I use two or more different songs for a trailer/clip on purpose, change of mood, pace, making a conclusion, that is the structure reason. I guess its more of a trailer thing than a clip.

June 1st, 2008, 03:02 PM	#8
Finn Nielsen New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 8	Hello Oleg. I really like your video. I think it's super. How longe time do you use to make such video incl. editing? Greeting from Denmark.

June 2nd, 2008, 10:34 AM	#10
John Moon Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 446	Oleg...I really liked it. It's your style. I think I would echo the comment from Vito about fading the song out BUT...if you had the Bride or Groom give you some voice over to help make the transition to change the pace or feel I think the fade out would have been fine. Still...very nice work. __________________ John J. Moon www.northernlightfilmworks.com - Event DV Top 25 Recipient

June 2nd, 2008, 11:01 AM	#11
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	John, Thanks a lot!, next time I think how to mix up two songs, this clip is kind of long isn't it, VO could be a choice as you suggested. Will keep on working!

June 3rd, 2008, 08:13 PM	#13
Travis Cossel Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,933	From a technical perspective I think your video stands up well. From a stylistic perspective ... I found the first part of the edit to be distracting with all of the various effects. I really felt like I was watching an effects show more than a video about 2 people in love. In terms of your skill and dedication, it was impressive, but it felt disconnected from the couple for me. The pace of the editing also didn't seem to fit the music. I know you said you felt the edit and music were balanced because they were so different from each other, but I disagree. It just didn't work for me. Although using 2 songs didn't really bother me, I do think you could have gone with one song and been more selective in your shots and had a much stronger video. Impressive editing and good shot compositions, but some things just didn't work for me. Thanks for sharing! __________________ Black Label Films www.blacklabelweddingfilms.com

June 4th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#14
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Travis, thank you, I guess this clip was like going for "more is more" principle, which is a fine line and may not work most of the time. The couple and their emotions are primary in making a clip, one thing I try to conquer is a "pattern" in style of shooting and editing. Appreciate the comment!

June 4th, 2008, 01:38 PM	#15
Carl Wilky Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montéal, Canada Posts: 115	I agree with Vito and pretty much everyone else here. I understand what you were traying to acheive... the music video effect but the speed of the video doesn't match the speed of the song in my opinion. The other thing you want to do is leave the viewers wanting more, i would've had left less images with the couple and substitute it with b-roll footage. Oleg, what camera do you use and what brand of fisheye do you have?